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#254616 11/12/12 12:29 PM 11/12/12 12:29 PM |
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Posts: 15 Massachusetts | Just curious where the all the boats come in on the weight spectrum. Looking over older posts, it looks like the weights for 2-up are approximately: Viper: 130 Falcon: 112 Blade: 107 Taipan: 107 Nacra: ? Raptor:107 (per website) Bimare:122 (per website) Cirrus: ?
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#254617 11/12/12 12:48 PM 11/12/12 12:48 PM |
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Posts: 5,525 | I don't remember and I tossed all my notes some time ago.
We weighed Blades and Taipans about two years ago. Only the Taipan came close to min. at about 2 lbs. over.
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#254622 11/12/12 01:40 PM 11/12/12 01:40 PM |
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Posts: 4,118 Northfield Mn | I would never agree to raising minimum weight. Eventually the latest greatest cloth or resin will come out making carbon, or epoxy obsolete.
Next year Pete, I'm all uni. Including nationals.
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#254626 11/12/12 02:00 PM 11/12/12 02:00 PM |
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Posts: 5,525 | I would never agree to raising minimum weight. Eventually the latest greatest cloth or resin will come out making carbon, or epoxy obsolete.
Next year Pete, I'm all uni. Including nationals. Then you'd better step up to the Presidency!
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#254638 11/12/12 03:26 PM 11/12/12 03:26 PM |
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Posts: 5,590 Naples, FL | I said over a year ago the F16 class will disappear inside private clubs, at least in the U.S. That seems to be happening because they are the only people who care about the class. It will change as they see fit. Please don't repeat this and give the "Fad" folks more ammo...
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#254640 11/12/12 03:27 PM 11/12/12 03:27 PM |
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Posts: 5,525 | You're interpreting this the wrong way. It insures the class will flourish.
Beach catting in the U.S. is dead. Those classes who are adopted into formal settings will continue to grow for a long time. Those that don't are done. A class being the possible exception.
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#254641 11/12/12 03:28 PM 11/12/12 03:28 PM |
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Posts: 5,590 Naples, FL | that makes me feel a little better... thanks for the clarification
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#254648 11/12/12 03:55 PM 11/12/12 03:55 PM |
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Posts: 893 | The manufacturers are not an majority. Those who bought their products might be a majority.
If all the manufacturers make boats at 120kgs then only boats can be purchased at 120kgs and therefore the manufacturers control the vote. AHPC set out and marketed their boats well, they had top class sailors win events, they discounted and made sure their boats were seen at events. They gave good backup and had a good design, albeit probably 20 kgs over weight. They had good manufacturing processes in a cheap labour environment, they took the marketing of there boats seriously and because of that they are now the dominating manufacturer. I say well done, you deserve to be top dog and now you can dictate to what should be a long running class. Every other manufacturer out there dithered about or didn't have the budget to really push their products and thus lost the marketing campaign. Remember history is littered with great design being over whelmed by inferior design simply by marketing nous and expertise, the best doesn't always succeed. If the class was to vote I would actually vote to increase the weight further to about 130kgs, its at this point the F16's suddenly start to become competitive in SCHRS and Texel handicap systems. At this weight the performance is not lost on handicap and it gives good margins on build durability. The ironic thing is that if the weight is increased to 125kgs, it will have the opposite effect to what the manufacturers hope, that of sealing off the market to just 1 or 2 suppliers. At 125 kgs the likes of Hobie and others will all have boats on the water within 12 months, afterall all they have to build is hulls and use components from within their own range for ancillaries such as boards and masts. Cheap cheap development and a no brainer to at least be part of a probably the biggest growing market in small cat sailing. | | | Re: Increased weight
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#254649 11/12/12 03:55 PM 11/12/12 03:55 PM |
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Posts: 2,921 Michigan | Next year Pete, I'm all uni. Including nationals.
awesome. I hope more people move this direction... at least up here | | | Re: Increased weight
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#254654 11/12/12 05:07 PM 11/12/12 05:07 PM |
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Posts: 744 | Raising weight? There goes all the uni wannabees. Ya know, as we age, there is a need for a good lightweight uni/sloop-spin boat. But there is already a ready-to-go heavy sloop class out there--- F18. Have fun. BC
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#254656 11/12/12 05:53 PM 11/12/12 05:53 PM |
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Posts: 4,118 Northfield Mn | will a 120-130kg F16 still have a carbon-mast? I dont think so an alloy mast is cheaper - especially if a manufacturer uses a shortend F18 mast... Sure. Why not?
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#254659 11/12/12 07:55 PM 11/12/12 07:55 PM |
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Posts: 1,246 Orlando, FL | Raising weight? There goes all the uni wannabees. Ya know, as we age, there is a need for a good lightweight uni/sloop-spin boat. But there is already a ready-to-go heavy sloop class out there--- F18. Have fun. BC Agree with Bob +1,0000 Disagree with Wayne from a previous post....about AHPC being Top Dog because they have more boats out there that are over weight and should therefore dictate rule changes.....so some of the other manufacturers built to the F16 specs and now we want to punish them with a rule change ... I don't think that's the class I want to be a part of.
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