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Re: Foiling F18... [Re: Tony_F18] #255428
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I'm pretty sure the C class guys tried it already and found it to be not very good at going upwind?

We could simply change our typical bouy course, to something more of a drag race. What type course do the Moths typically sail? I saw some on Sydney harbor and they were FLYING! (Literally!)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1VXKskNa4Y

Looked like fun but as Jake points out, they are very difficult to sail well. Lots of swimming invloved on that learning curve! A foiling cat would be a whole lot more stable, side to side, and as I've been saying for years, all we really need to do is connect two Moths together, side by side!

Here's a foiling cat video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrqAJZrKCk0


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Re: Foiling F18... [Re: Jake] #255435
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Originally Posted by Jake
Originally Posted by Karl_Brogger
A good example of wild changes helping a class is the Moth. Hell, I want one, and I'm a cheap butt.


Of the people I knew that held that opinion, it changed after they actually sailed one. They're tough to sail...really tough to sail well.


I believe that, still want one.


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Re: Foiling F18... [Re: Tony_F18] #255436
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Moths sail a typical windward-leeward course. If you want one, buy one. I'd get one but launching off a beach is difficult and foiling in sea state looks really tough. An A-Cat is more practical.

Carrying 2 sets of foils around the course (cat) vs. 1 set (moth) adds twice as much drag, and the initial C attempt proved slower, but it was an initial attempt. I bet 1 fully flying C will show up at Weymouth in 2013 and then we can be the armchair judges.


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Re: Foiling F18... [Re: Tony_F18] #255437
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and an A is probably the route I'll end up going for a quick to set up boat. I need to build something to house the toys before I do anything. Looking at getting a Lotus Exige some day, I'm not letting it sit outside, and no way am I letting my pickup sit outside. Just wish I had Jake's lot size to play with to add a man-cave that size.


foil technology has come a long ways, and I'm sure we're just starting to get a grip on it, much less perfecting it.

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Re: Foiling F18... [Re: Karl_Brogger] #255441
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Originally Posted by Karl_Brogger
and an A is probably the route I'll end up going for a quick to set up boat. I need to build something to house the toys before I do anything. Looking at getting a Lotus Exige some day, I'm not letting it sit outside, and no way am I letting my pickup sit outside. Just wish I had Jake's lot size to play with to add a man-cave that size.


foil technology has come a long ways, and I'm sure we're just starting to get a grip on it, much less perfecting it.


It's amazing how fast you run out of space after you make it.

I'm thinking SLC with a charged LS6 or something, myself. Gonna need something to work on when this garage is totally completed. Planning to install the in-floor scissors lift next summer.


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Re: Foiling F18... [Re: Tony_F18] #255442
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I'm completely enamored with the Exige. Cheap, weighs nothing, and you can pull over 300hp out of that 2.0L pretty easily. Which isn't a lot, but it's plenty when you're dragging around less than 2k pounds. That and they're unique. I can get a used ZO6 for less, but too common.


Spaces always look big when they're empty, or on paper next to the bill. When I moved the shop a couple of years ago I thought I had a few years before I ran out of space. Took about six months for things to start getting tight again. If I build a building I'm going at least three times the size of my current shop at about 7500 sq/ft. 10k would be better yet. I need at least double what I've got now just to have room to make things flow again.


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Re: Foiling F18... [Re: samc99us] #255443
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Originally Posted by samc99us


I bet 1 fully flying C will show up at Weymouth in 2013 and then we can be the armchair judges.


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Re: Foiling F18... [Re: Karl_Brogger] #255447
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Originally Posted by Karl_Brogger
Just wish I had Jake'slot size to play with to add a man-cave that size.


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Re: Foiling F18... [Re: ] #255452
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You could build one of these. sorry long video but cool.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cps42IRMGFE&feature=player_embedded

Re: Foiling F18... [Re: Dlennard] #255455
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Originally Posted by Dlennard
You could build one of these. sorry long video but cool.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cps42IRMGFE&feature=player_embedded

Cool garage, but I was expecting it's occupants to be a little more exotic. A Gmc pick-up, 2 audis,and 2 jeeps in a 5 million dollar garage.


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Re: Foiling F18... [Re: Tony_F18] #255457
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Don't forget the badass Lumina or whatever the maroon car on the end was.

That is pretty awesome though. $25 a pop in juice just to cycle the elevator though. Wow. I make an alright living, but I think that's a wee bit outta my price range. It'd be like having your own Bat Cave though


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Re: Foiling F18... [Re: Dlennard] #255459
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Originally Posted by Dlennard
You could build one of these. sorry long video but cool.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cps42IRMGFE&feature=player_embedded


I think I'm going to PUKE!

That sick fk has a bunch of brand new Harleys, "Collectors Edditions" and has never even started them up?!! That's just wrong on so many levels! What a TOOL! What is the point??


"Chicks Dig It"? Really? Really?

I'm going to have to drive out to Lake Tahoe just to punch this guy in the face, then ride off on one of those bikes!

Can you imagine if Larry Ellison built up that monster carbon fiber Triamaran from the last A/C, but then never put it in the water??

"Hey, I've got this great peice of artwork...hidden in my basement!"



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Re: Foiling F18... [Re: ] #255460
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Originally Posted by MN3
[quote=Karl_Brogger]Just wish I had Jake'slot size to play with to add a man-cave that size.


My lot's actually not that big at about 1/2 acre....I just don't have much space left to grow things that need access to dirt.


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Re: Foiling F18... [Re: Jake] #255461
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Originally Posted by Jake
Originally Posted by MN3
[quote=Karl_Brogger]Just wish I had Jake'slot size to play with to add a man-cave that size.


My lot's actually not that big at about 1/2 acre....I just don't have much space left to grow things that need access to dirt.


You going all farmer on us now?

There is a reason many of us buy our food. Beats the 7 day, 16 hour work put in a garden to scrape out enough food to avoid starving to death.



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Re: Foiling F18... [Re: Tony_F18] #255464
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All well and good until the electric grid we rely on to keep our food fresh gets wiped out by an x-class solar flare. What was the topic of this thread again?


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Re: Foiling F18... [Re: Timbo] #255465
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Originally Posted by Timbo
What is the point?


They make for superb Investments. "Never started" would greatly increase the value to the right buyer

but i agree, he is a total tool for stockpiling rides like those.

Re: Foiling F18... [Re: waterbug_wpb] #255466
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Originally Posted by waterbug_wpb
Originally Posted by Jake
Originally Posted by MN3
[quote=Karl_Brogger]Just wish I had Jake'slot size to play with to add a man-cave that size.


My lot's actually not that big at about 1/2 acre....I just don't have much space left to grow things that need access to dirt.


You going all farmer on us now?

There is a reason many of us buy our food. Beats the 7 day, 16 hour work put in a garden to scrape out enough food to avoid starving to death.



no, no, no....just saying that my program to remove areas where things will grow (requiring maintenance) and replace it with concrete and heated work space is going quite well.


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good. worst case scenario you could use them as heated greenhouses anyway, so you're in good shape.


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Re: Foiling F18... [Re: Tony_F18] #255469
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You're twice the lot size of me Jake. I'm a 1/4 acre. I'm trying to jockey a 32x32 garage in there somehow so I can park the boat trailer, and both pickups inside, plus have some room to store my toy airplanes. They get the piss dinged out of them going through normal doors.
Current garage is 20x20. My diesel is 3" less in length than the hole it goes in, (a problem I'm waaaay to familiar with).

The good news is I just spent three hours figuring out the bill for job, and the builder owes me about $32k.

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