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Re: Help us build a SW Florida Hobie Fleet [Re: waterbug_wpb] #256093
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Originally Posted by waterbug_wpb


I am of the opinion that any well-run regatta that gets a lot of boats on the water is good for all "brands", as non-beachcat sailors (and some non-sailors) will see a bazillion boats on Charlotte harbor one weekend and say "huh, maybe I should see what the hub-bub is about..."



The decision by Hobie (corporate) to only support regattas with their BRAND is a business decision.

Sure, they know that it'll alienate others brand boat owners and create animosity amongst supporters and volunteers of various Hobie-Only regatta vs Open regattas.

It's a business decision. They believe this model will promote their brand best and return results back to the corporation.

Of course there are other business owners that feel when the pie grows it grows for all ... and therefore support open regattas for all boats.

It's a business decision. These business owners believe it'll promote their brand (and others) but the pie will be bigger and benefit the community of sailing.


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Re: Help us build a SW Florida Hobie Fleet [Re: Stuff4Toys] #256094
01/09/13 09:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Stuff4Toys
That is so true... we are a Hobie Dealer so we have to place emphasis on the Waves and H-16's of course beach cats & tri's make great race partners.


We have enough Waves scattered around Florida that if you do this, I think we can bring a few. Keep up the good work.


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Re: Help us build a SW Florida Hobie Fleet [Re: Stuff4Toys] #256095
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In SWFl access has always been the problem. No beach, no beach cats.


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Re: Help us build a SW Florida Hobie Fleet [Re: Stuff4Toys] #256096
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Pete, I have to agree.

There are probably only two things needed for a fleet or class to succeed: Places to sail and people to join.

Everything else (racing, fundraising, clinics, etc.) can really only matter if the first two issues are met.

Mike

Re: Help us build a SW Florida Hobie Fleet [Re: Stuff4Toys] #256097
01/09/13 10:18 AM
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Yeah keep having Brand only regattas and shutting out the other boats, and watch it grow. I can see them lined up at your door now.


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Re: Help us build a SW Florida Hobie Fleet [Re: Mlcreek] #256098
01/09/13 10:35 AM
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I'm certain all this nonsense would be prevented if someone non-partisan group were hosting the event, but it would appear that no one has stepped up to that challenge so far, so kudos to anyone who does want to set up an event

It's certainly understandable if a business owner were to arrange an event to promote their stuff. It's also understandable that all those excluded from participating would be put off a bit and further polarize our already fractured community of beachcat sailors.

Personally I support anyone willing to host a regatta because it's a huge PITA for very little return.

With this being said (the huge PITA part), why not exponentially improve turnout by inviting as many people as you can? I don't think the PITA factor increases that much more if you invite one particular group or several? Especially if those other groups supply a little help...

Would hosting a Hobie National or Division level event generate the participation needed to make hosting it worth it?

Seems to me that NA's are one of the few regattas that have the kind of critical mass to make it worth the "invitation only" status


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Re: Help us build a SW Florida Hobie Fleet [Re: Stuff4Toys] #256099
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Mlcreek, you need to get out more. Go to any one-design monohull regatta and you will see the same thing: some classes are invited, most are not.

Again, why are you holding Hobie fleets to a different standard? Your signature shows that you sail an I-20. Do you give the same grief to the A-cats or F-18s when they promote their OD events and fleets?

Mike

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Re: Help us build a SW Florida Hobie Fleet [Re: waterbug_wpb] #256100
01/09/13 11:02 AM
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I concur, that as a business owner that wants to promote his product, he is entitled to do so, but does alienates others. However this is not the case with the CHarlotte Harbor Regatta. They simply refuse to have an open class for all, because of purported staffing.


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Re: Help us build a SW Florida Hobie Fleet [Re: brucat] #256101
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Mike,
My anger is pointed more toward Charlotte than the dealer. As stated in my response to Waterbug, clearly they have the right to make that decision, with certain consequences.


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Re: Help us build a SW Florida Hobie Fleet [Re: Mlcreek] #256102
01/09/13 11:46 AM
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If I understood the opening comment in this thread, the organizers of the Charlotte Harbor regatta weren't doing it this year? Or was it just the beachcat section?

scratch that. I read it wrong...

MICreek, did they say they needed extra scorers to open up to handicap fleets? Or did they feel there wouldn't be enough turnout to justify any handicap / open fleet?

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Re: Help us build a SW Florida Hobie Fleet [Re: waterbug_wpb] #256103
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No, they said they had enough boats and wouldn't consider and or want to run an open fleet.
As in other classes. Allow me to preface this statement based on my experience of last years regatta. I have not been in touch with them this year because of last.

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Re: Help us build a SW Florida Hobie Fleet [Re: brucat] #256104
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It is a shame that someone who is trying to promote growing a local fleet has his thread hijacked, but same story different year/day here at Catzombiesailor.

It's really basic guys. Not sure why this doesn't stick after all these years:

- Hobie Cat builds and sells Hobie Cats.
- Hobie Cat has a World Wide dealer network selling and promoting Hobie Cat.
- Hobie Cat funds the Hobie Class Association to promote Hobie Cat sailing.
- Hobie Class Association is guided by by-laws to promote Hobie Cat sailing and racing, not open class racing.

Sailing in general has been a very tough business and we have had to change with the times to survive. Our formula worked and we are still in the business of building catamarans after all these years. Ok...that is more due to the MirageDrive and kayaks than anything else, but Hobie Cat production is still strong and supported by this diversification in our product line.

I like this analogy... I started watching "The Walking Dead" over the holidays. The zombies try to eat the remaining living people, wreck their supplies... make a loud noise (like promote building a Hobie Fleet at Catsailor) and they are ALL OVER YOU.

It doesn't help the sport... it tears it down further.


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Re: Help us build a SW Florida Hobie Fleet [Re: Stuff4Toys] #256105
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So the rest of us are Zombies, ......nice.

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Re: Help us build a SW Florida Hobie Fleet [Re: mmiller] #256106
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Originally Posted by mmiller
It is a shame that someone who is trying to promote growing a local fleet has his thread hijacked, but same story different year/day here at Catzombiesailor.

It's really basic guys. Not sure why this doesn't stick after all these years:

- Hobie Cat builds and sells Hobie Cats.
- Hobie Cat has a World Wide dealer network selling and promoting Hobie Cat.
- Hobie Cat funds the Hobie Class Association to promote Hobie Cat sailing.
- Hobie Class Association is guided by by-laws to promote Hobie Cat sailing and racing, not open class racing.

Sailing in general has been a very tough business and we have had to change with the times to survive. Our formula worked and we are still in the business of building catamarans after all these years. Ok...that is more due to the MirageDrive and kayaks than anything else, but Hobie Cat production is still strong and supported by this diversification in our product line.

I like this analogy... I started watching "The Walking Dead" over the holidays. The zombies try to eat the remaining living people, wreck their supplies... make a loud noise (like promote building a Hobie Fleet at Catsailor) and they are ALL OVER YOU.

It doesn't help the sport... it tears it down further.


I typically stay out of these fights, but that was poor form!


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Re: Help us build a SW Florida Hobie Fleet [Re: Stuff4Toys] #256107
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Not that anyone cares or will change their mind, but I was in the room when the decision was made by the class association.

While Hobie Cat Co. had legitimate business concerns, it was ultimately up to the class to decide. Many fleets and divisions were struggling (losing sailors to non-Hobie boats) and were concerned that the class wasn't following the IHCA or NAHCA bylaws by promoting the open events. Others were afraid that their events would dry up without the non-Hobies. The class leaders ultimately decided to go with the Hobie-only plan.

Hobie Cat Co. recognized that this would not be an easy transition, and now gives the class far more support ($$,$$$) than before the change was made.

Regardless of what you think happened, this is how it really went down. I'm reasonably sure this was also documented in the newsletter at the time.

Having said all of that, it changes nothing. Spend some time at monohull regattas this summer and you should see where I'm coming from. I know the F18 guys (at least in New England) have this perspective and are growing by taking advantage of it.

Mike

Re: Help us build a SW Florida Hobie Fleet [Re: mmiller] #256108
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Nice.....from a factory rep, that if we all "other " sailors don't sail Hobies...we are all Zombies....great PR....


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Re: Help us build a SW Florida Hobie Fleet [Re: ksurfer2] #256109
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Originally Posted by ksurfer2
Originally Posted by mmiller
It is a shame that someone who is trying to promote growing a local fleet has his thread hijacked.


I typically stay out of these fights, but that was poor form!


Absolutely, poor form to hijack his thread!



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Originally Posted by mmiller
Originally Posted by ksurfer2
Originally Posted by mmiller
It is a shame that someone who is trying to promote growing a local fleet has his thread hijacked.


I typically stay out of these fights, but that was poor form!


Absolutely, poor form to hijack his thread!



If you are going to use my quote as argument, please be sure to include everything it referenced so the true context can be shown!


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Re: Help us build a SW Florida Hobie Fleet [Re: mmiller] #256111
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And you guys show no humor. Pretty funny I think and a great show.

...and your acting like the zombies, so it fits.


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