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Re: AC72 Oracle Team USA Spaceship has landed [Re: bacho] #259246
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Originally Posted by bacho
I believe they are foiling now


Incorrect. They are firmly still in the displacement camp until at least they release Boat numero duo.

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Re: AC72 Oracle Team USA Spaceship has landed [Re: ThunderMuffin] #259247
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Originally Posted by Undecided
Originally Posted by bacho
I believe they are foiling now


Incorrect. They are firmly still in the displacement camp until at least they release Boat numero duo.


Your right, the red bows on OR #2 had me thinking incorrectly.

Re: AC72 Oracle Team USA Spaceship has landed [Re: ThunderMuffin] #259248
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Originally Posted by Undecided
Originally Posted by bacho
I believe they are foiling now


Incorrect. They are firmly still in the displacement camp until at least they release Boat numero duo.


Are you sure? they talked about structural improvements on the hull and the vid showed foils on the rudders.


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Re: AC72 Oracle Team USA Spaceship has landed [Re: P.M.] #259250
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They are foiling with AC45, Moths, but the new 72 wont hit the water for another few months.

Re: AC72 Oracle Team USA Spaceship has landed [Re: P.M.] #259337
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Re: AC72 Oracle Team USA Spaceship has landed [Re: Tony_F18] #259338
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At 3:10 look at how F-L-A-T the hulls are!

Re: AC72 Oracle Team USA Spaceship has landed [Re: P.M.] #259363
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US Sailing and America’s Cup Launch New ‘Start Sailing’ Website



PORTSMOUTH, R.I. (May 6, 2013) – US Sailing, the national governing body of the sport, has joined forces with the pinnacle event in sailing - the iconic America’s Cup - to introduce, inform and educate a new generation of sailors.

The new website at www.startsailing.org offers visitors an exciting and easy-to-follow introductory view of sailing, including information on the various types of sailboats, the basics of sailing, tips on how to get started and find access to boats and lessons, as well as other ways to get involved.

Re: AC72 Oracle Team USA Spaceship has landed [Re: Tony_F18] #259364
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Originally Posted by Tony_F18
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US Sailing and America’s Cup Launch New ‘Start Sailing’ Website


PORTSMOUTH, R.I. (May 6, 2013) – US Sailing, the national governing body of the sport, has joined forces with the pinnacle event in sailing - the iconic America’s Cup - to introduce, inform and educate a new generation of sailors.

The new website at www.startsailing.org offers visitors an exciting and easy-to-follow introductory view of sailing, including information on the various types of sailboats, the basics of sailing, tips on how to get started and find access to boats and lessons, as well as other ways to get involved.


$10 says you have to dig deep to find a catamaran reference on there (I haven't looked).

OK...I looked - I take that back. It actually looks pretty nice.


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Re: AC72 Oracle Team USA Spaceship has landed [Re: Jake] #259365
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dug a little deeper...and the "detail" on catamarans is really bad. It points out nearly as many negatives as positives and glosses over the majority of catamaran sailing. There shouldn't be any "direct" negatives listed on any of these 'more detail' pages.

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Multihull sailboats come in a variety of types and sizes. Catamarans have two hulls, while trimarans feature three.
In general, multihulls are faster and lighter than monohulls. However, multihulls are typically slower at turning. These boats do not have a keel.

WHY
Larger Catamarans make good cruising and long distance boats. They are also built for speed, which makes them great racing boats. Also, they do not capsize as easily. The stable platform or deck area improves safety and helps keep you dry. Larger catamarans make good cruising and long distance boats too. Small multihulls are typically simple, inexpensive boats. They are also easy to launch from the beach.


So, let's see the negatives listed for small (non cruising): slower at turning, do not have a keel, unstable and capsize easily (listed as an anti-negative for a 'big one'), wet (anti-negative again), and some might say "simple" is a negative if not just a mischaracterization written by someone that has clearly never set foot on a small multihull.

Is that the two most exciting pictures they could find of multihull sailing? What is up with choosing that top one - it looks like a trainwreck just happened and the second one (while cute) doesn't show any excitement. Compare that to the others while you're on there too.

compare that to the "small boat sailing" and you'll wonder why anyone sails catamarans at all (besides large cruisers).

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Small boat sailing is a simple, inexpensive way to get started in the sport. The fundamental basics of sailing are most easily learned in small boats. Many small boats are designed specifically for youth, and most provide a lifetime of enjoyment for adults as well. Because of their size and simplicity, many small sailboats can be sailed single handed or with a single crew member. Small boat performance, depending on the design, may range from stable and relaxing to wet and wild.

WHY
Small boat sailing can bring you relaxing days on the water, adventurous family fun or challenging competition. By learning to sail a small boat with a US Sailing certified instructor, you’ll learn the skills you need to build your confidence and sail the boat effectively and safely. If you become a boat owner, small boats are affordable and easy to transport (car-top or trailer) and to store. They are simple to rig, allowing you to get on the water faster, and enjoy more time sailing.


let's see...negatives for 'small boats'? errrr....none.

Come to think of it, what is up with the line clearly drawn between Multihull, small boats, and large boats? Can a multihull not also be a small boat and a large boat? Why isn't it "small boat; dingy and multihull", "Large boat; monohull and multihull" or something. This is dumb. Not any of the other descriptions for the other "types" of sailing means lists any negatives but the multihull version is full of them.

Crap like this makes me glad I choose not to renew my US Sailing membership for the first time in a long time.


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I'm going to leave the "Sailing Basics" page alone and just shake my head.


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Re: AC72 Oracle Team USA Spaceship has landed [Re: Jake] #259367
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Originally Posted by Jake
I'm going to leave the "Sailing Basics" page alone and just shake my head.


Go that way really fast. If something gets in your way....turn


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Re: AC72 Oracle Team USA Spaceship has landed [Re: waterbug_wpb] #259370
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Originally Posted by waterbug_wpb
Originally Posted by Jake
I'm going to leave the "Sailing Basics" page alone and just shake my head.


Go that way really fast. If something gets in your way....turn


Wait... Are you saying that there is more to it than that?

Re: AC72 Oracle Team USA Spaceship has landed [Re: waterbug_wpb] #259371
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Originally Posted by waterbug_wpb
Originally Posted by Jake
I'm going to leave the "Sailing Basics" page alone and just shake my head.


Go that way really fast. If something gets in your way....turn


Better off Dead. What do I win?


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Re: AC72 Oracle Team USA Spaceship has landed [Re: Jake] #259380
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OK....clearly I'm the only one that sees the issues with the way the Multihulls are presented there - but I promise we got about 1/10 the marketing of any other "boat type" on there. It really is a marketing faux pas to point out so many negatives for something you are trying to "promote". Who proof read that and thought it was OK?


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Those multi hull pics were sooo lame. I just want to go learn how to sail one of those. lol Jake I am with you.

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Re: AC72 Oracle Team USA Spaceship has landed [Re: P.M.] #259382
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The descriptions for small boats and other monohulls are also pretty lame if that makes you feel any better.
Why dont you contact them and submit an alternative text?

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Originally Posted by Tony_F18
The descriptions for small boats and other monohulls are also pretty lame if that makes you feel any better.
Why dont you contact them and submit an alternative text?


Lame, yes...negative? no. There is no contact on that site anywhere. I've sent a message to info@ussailing.org


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they wrote me back with assurance that they aren't intentionally favoring any type of boat and that they will review it and be consulting their multihull constituents. Apparently, they looked up my membership status. wink


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