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Re: 2013 F18 Worlds [Re: Reiss] #261137
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Results after day two:
http://www.compagniadellavelagrosseto.it/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/09_07_PROVISIONAL.pdf

No real surprises in the front- lots of very good teams. Taylor and Matt sitting in 10th, which is a very string effort! Should be two more races today before they make the gold/silver split. Things get much harder after the fleet split- no room for even the smallest mistakes!

Mischa and Bastian received redress for their race one DSQ and take the overall regatta lead. Could we see an A-cat and F18 world title in the same year?


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Re: 2013 F18 Worlds [Re: Reiss] #261140
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Well since JC isn't there, I have to root for my buddy Mischa and Bastian. I hope his baby goats (which are probably no longer babies) are doing ok :P

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What's the story behind the DSQ and redress?

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Finish boat wasn't anchored very well, and the motor was running. The DSQ was for Mischa hitting the committee boat, but he got redress once the RC admitted the committee boat may have hit Mischa, instead.


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Yuck... How do you get a DSQ for hitting a mark without a hearing?

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I'm rooting hard for Mischa and Bastiaan as well. They've been trying for years to take the crown. I assume they are running Mischa sails on the Cirrus R?

If Taylor and Matt won that would be cool too, cheers to the home team!!


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Per Facebook, qualifiers are over, splits will be done after protests are heard.

Fixing to get ready for Gold/Silver fleet racing...

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Would still like to know how to get a DSQ without a hearing, at a Worlds, presumably with an IRO and IJ, for hitting a mark. If there was a hearing, what was the grounds for a redress hearing? We must be missing a key part of the story.

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First hearing was on a protest by another team against Mischa/Bastiaan for contact with the finish boat. Second hearing was on a protest by M/B against the RC for the finish boat hitting them.

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Originally Posted by Mamaloe
First hearing was on a protest by another team against Mischa/Bastiaan for contact with the finish boat. Second hearing was on a protest by M/B against the RC for the finish boat hitting them.


Thanks for the clarification, that helps a lot.

I don't doubt what you're saying, but it is very odd to me that this took two hearings from an IJ to sort out. The mark boat should have been called as a witness during the first hearing, before a decision was ever made.

Of course, anything can and does happen in the room...

Mike

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3rd day race results here: http://www.compagniadellavelagrosseto.it/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/10_PROVISIONAL.pdf

Matt and Taylor in first, Matt and Steve in 61st so both make the Gold fleet (split starts at 81 IIRC). Good luck to the boys in Red White and Blue!


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Funny how times change... The F18 class now publishes a scoresheet that lists the boat builder..... What fun is that.... the guessing game of what each team was sailing was so entertaining.

Go Team USA!


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Kringle is going to be pissed when he sees they are listing the Capricorn 2 from PSA as an AHPC Capricorn. I understand the logic and history behind the name but it really is muddy from a marketing point of view.

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Originally Posted by Scarecrow
Kringle is going to be pissed when he sees they are listing the Capricorn 2 from PSA as an AHPC Capricorn. I understand the logic and history behind the name but it really is muddy from a marketing point of view.


Kringle is on a Windrush Edge.
We had no boats to send to the event as all available boats shipped to customers including the factory boats. He chose to sell his personal boat to a interested buyer to keep them happy and began building a new boat for himself. This caused him to miss the shipping deadline to make the worlds with his boat.
The Edge was there and the original team that chartered it backed out. He picked up the charter probably to get out of the Australian winter.
His new boat is on the way here for the Americas Championship with one other demo 2013 for that event. He plans on leaving both boats here in the U.S. for a discount after the event.


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That makes the results even less acurate with regards to boat types. Its a shame Brett hasn't been able to get more traction with the Windrush Edge I haven't sailed one but he's a very skilled builder and got some good results with it out of the box.

Re: 2013 F18 Worlds [Re: Mark Schneider] #261255
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Originally Posted by Mark Schneider
Funny how times change... The F18 class now publishes a scoresheet that lists the boat builder..... What fun is that.... the guessing game of what each team was sailing was so entertaining.

Go Team USA!


Mark you're sooo hung up on this and the whole one-design thing it really isn't funny. All 5 of the major manufacturers are in the top 10. This is really great for the class. I don't see any downsides. Pick the boat that you like best for whatever reason and get on the water.

Us, we've come about face on the Infusion, simply because it is fast and easy to drive. Will be talking to the other guys at North Americans and hopefully getting some on the water time on the C2 and Falcon down there with a 2nd boat to spar against. Frankly it'll be tough to get off the Infusion train for another year or 2 (need a real tow vehicle), but also because we'll have hull covers, beam covers, and mast covers sized to fit the platform. Traveling internationally gets expensive if you care about your boat.


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Originally Posted by samc99us
Originally Posted by Mark Schneider
Funny how times change... The F18 class now publishes a scoresheet that lists the boat builder..... What fun is that.... the guessing game of what each team was sailing was so entertaining.

Go Team USA!


Mark you're sooo hung up on this and the whole one-design thing it really isn't funny. All 5 of the major manufacturers are in the top 10. This is really great for the class. I don't see any downsides. Pick the boat that you like best for whatever reason and get on the water.

Us, we've come about face on the Infusion, simply because it is fast and easy to drive. Will be talking to the other guys at North Americans and hopefully getting some on the water time on the C2 and Falcon down there with a 2nd boat to spar against. Frankly it'll be tough to get off the Infusion train for another year or 2 (need a real tow vehicle), but also because we'll have hull covers, beam covers, and mast covers sized to fit the platform. Traveling internationally gets expensive if you care about your boat.


In Mark's defense (did I just say that?) he's referring to the time when the F18 class vehemently refused, and prohibited, listing of boat manufacturer or any other specific information about the sailor's platform in any official F18 results. I guess they softened on that based on how the A-cats handle that same information. Back in the day, I agreed with not listing the boat stuff as I would have thought it would be a negative thing taking away from the sailors - but it's really not. I do suppose that when there were significant differences between boats, it probably made sense to keep that information out of the results to provide a little protection to other manufacturers to keep their market a little more lively and sustainable.


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Tough first day in the Gold fleet saw Taylor and Matt drop to 23rd yesterday. Hopefully they can have a good last day and hold on to the youth world title (currently second youth).

Very, very tight at the top of the fleet with Billy Besson leading. Martin Vanzulli will be updating the top 5 on his blog throughout the day.
http://www.catsailingnews.com/


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Speaking of boats and rooting for the USA, is boat GER292 sailing a Falcon F18?

If so, i'm rooting for them to have a good result as well, as their on a "Made in the USA" boat.



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