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Re: AC72 Oracle Team USA Spaceship has landed [Re: P.M.] #261288
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Comments on Maker Camp:
Picked up some interesting stuff and thought it was well done.
Jibs: used 16 times at $40,000/jib.
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Boat: 90% carbon, 10% aluminum, 1% titanium
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Re: AC72 Oracle Team USA Spaceship has landed [Re: P.M.] #261291
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The rudders are compliant but the system that allows them to be adjusted is not. Until that system is permenently locked or removed I would think that the boat is not compliant with the rules.

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The jibs have a longer life than on the IACC boats. On the IACC they used to count the number of times the jib had been tacked. I think the life spam was something like 40-50 TACKS.

Re: AC72 Oracle Team USA Spaceship has landed [Re: orphan] #261293
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Originally Posted by orphan
The rudders are compliant but the system that allows them to be adjusted is not. Until that system is permenently locked or removed I would think that the boat is not compliant with the rules.


Per the rules - the rudders can move in a single axis to change AOA but must be locked for racing. Least that's how I'm reading it....

Re: AC72 Oracle Team USA Spaceship has landed [Re: P.M.] #261294
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"But it is a major loss for the beleaguered America's Cup Regatta. Again not for the Decision, which is a no-change. The loss comes from the damage done by those attempting to pervert the Rules - reflected in the constant general media droning about the litigious face of the America's Cup once again peering over the parapet, of what should be the pinnacle event in sailing."

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Originally Posted by orphan
The rudders are compliant but the system that allows them to be adjusted is not. Until that system is permenently locked or removed I would think that the boat is not compliant with the rules.


I think you'll find that every team has the ability to adjust their rudder rake in some fashion. They wouldn't be able to do what they do without it.


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Is there a replay of the camp video available?


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Re: AC72 Oracle Team USA Spaceship has landed [Re: P.M.] #261299
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Originally Posted by mummp
That's painting the picture with a broad stroke. ...USCG issued a permit, you agree to it or you rescind it and get another one. Murray would do it in a second if he has to.

“This means racing can continue if the teams abide by the existing Class Rule and the Safety Rules,” said ACEA chief executive, Stephen Barclay. That implies that if the teams do not abide by the "safety rules", then racing cannot continue.

Regatta Notice 189 has been officially withdrawn (see RN 201) so the safety plan no longer ranks as rules, but the ACEA and the Regatta Director have elected NOT to amend USCG permit. So, either the teams abide by the safety plan "voluntarily", or the event is in violation of its permit terms.

That isn't really a problem, given that the only objections anybody had were to the class rule changes, and those are out. It just irks me that ACEA still seems pretty high-handed. You won't see anybody complain though. The Jury was pretty firm about sportsmanship in it's decision: "the Jury specifically reminds all Parties of their obligation to respect and preserve the favourable reputation of the America's Cup and the sport of sailing, and to refrain from any conduct that may be perceived as being other than in compliance with Protocol Article 60". The bickering, at least, should stop and that's a good thing.

I expect that Artemis will be allowed to compete, but I wouldn't be surprised if Oracle countered ETNZ with a proposal to change the class rule (permitting large, symmetric elevators for all) rather than specifically giving Artemis an exemption.

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Re: AC72 Oracle Team USA Spaceship has landed [Re: Jake] #261302
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Have you seen any vid of Oracle with a realtime speed overlay hit 43 knots? Or just a realtime speed overlay for that matter, hence the sandbagging comment. I hope I'm wrong.


I'm not sure how you say they're sandbagging if we haven't seen any speed data. I certainly haven't and I doubt they would put that out there anyway. I have no idea how fast Oracle is and I have no idea how much ETNZ is capable of (I would be shocked if they were genuinely full out in the one boat races so far). I'm still full of shrugs.


You should keep using the quote function so you don't try to twist my words. Here they are again for you "Unless there has been some SERIOUS sandbagging on the part of Oracle..."


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Magazines:
Here are two magazines that might be of interest. The first link you can save as a PDF. The second magazine would be similar to what you might get if you were at the event. It contains team bios, cup history, and copious ads for local swank. Enjoy.
http://www.sailracingmagazine.com/2013-editions/kr1vcfi4dlybpxsmrenmdolo1j5cmg

http://digital.marinmagazine.com/marinmagazine/raceforthecup/?pg=19&pm=1&u1=friend#pg1


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NZL crushed that start... over a half kilometer ahead now...


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NZL by 5:23. Wow.


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Shocking... NOT.

Maybe LR was secretly hoping to lose the protest so they could have an excuse to go home without getting spanked on the course...

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What's with the two huge yachts inside the boundaries on the first upwind leg? WAYinside! Watch at 22 minutes.

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