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Re: 2013 F18 Worlds [Re: Reiss] #261567
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Todd and Jay thanks for laying out the pricing. Todd I'm with you if the charters are available and the price is reasonable that is the way to go.

Tony how does one get a boat from Texel to Northern Ireland? It looks like A LOT of hassle with at least 2 ferry crossing involved. Is a container being sent from Texel to Ireland??


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Re: 2013 F18 Worlds [Re: Reiss] #261568
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In an ideal world I would buy a new boat, sail the Dutch Open, then Texel, then Worlds. After those events, I would either sell the boat or ship it home. The initial outlay of capitol is tough though.


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Re: 2013 F18 Worlds [Re: waterbug_wpb] #261569
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$10k is not much for all of that work...and there probably isn't anywhere with more than 2 events to charter per year in any area. so you will need to ship boats all over the place and the events with that much draw are few..maybe 2 per year. So, it takes me two years to recoup my investment and now the boats are dated and not desirable. I don't see it working.

The model that has been in place ~somewhat~ is to provide new boats for charter and then sell them at the event or shortly thereafter. I'm still not sure that works out very well.


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Re: 2013 F18 Worlds [Re: Reiss] #261572
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I doubt there will be a container from Holland to Ireland.
It's only about 5-6 hours pure driving, not counting time spent on ferries.
The ferries are also the biggest hurdle since the fares in the middle of summer are not that cheap.

Dermot: what do you think is the most economical/convenient way to get to Ireland?

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Originally Posted by Jake
$10k is not much for all of that work...


Agreed, and if I were a dealer or manufacturer, I wouldn't look to this venture as a profit center.

More of a marketing share with the vision of getting more of my boats out there to market at a "reasonable" price for those who can't afford my boats fresh out of the mold. I'm sure that the concept of "Brand Loyalty" is still alive and well, even in formula/box-rule classes (performance metrics being equal, of course)

What could you assign to the marketing value of someone saying "Yes, I'll have 4 boats for charter at X, Y, and Z events"? Heck, some regatta organizers may wish to work out a side-deal to ensure sailors have options if they can't get their boat to an event.

Say the dealer takes delivery at one event (NA's), gets them to another two (worlds if in USA, possibly Alter) and maybe one or two marquee events (a steeplechase, Juana's, GT-300, RTI, for example) there MAY be interest in chartering a whole season by one team, or at least bidders for charter at each event.

I've done the math once or twice, and given the fuel/maintenance, hassle, and logistics of dragging my boat around the country individually, I suspect a well-developed plan by a dealer/distributor might capitalize on some economy of scale, a good market presence, more sailors out there sailing, and possibly not lose money in the process.

I'm sure "Dealer days" with test sails didn't sell too many boats off the bat, but it sure got people out of the woodwork. I view this as a similar strategy.

Which may be the reason why I'm not a dealer? smile

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Originally Posted by Tony_F18

Dermot: what do you think is the most economical/convenient way to get to Ireland?


Sail, of course! It's only 130 miles of North Sea action. How hard can that be smile

(yes, I am joking)


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Re: 2013 F18 Worlds [Re: Tony_F18] #261578
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Originally Posted by Tony_F18
I doubt there will be a container from Holland to Ireland.
It's only about 5-6 hours pure driving, not counting time spent on ferries.
The ferries are also the biggest hurdle since the fares in the middle of summer are not that cheap.

Dermot: what do you think is the most economical/convenient way to get to Ireland?


Hmm I must be missing something. Google has this as a 16 hour trip. Even if you're spending 6 hours on ferries...

https://maps.google.com/maps?q=holl...HtUfOJHbjH4APBnoHIBw&ved=0CAoQ_AUoAg


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Originally Posted by samc99us
Originally Posted by Tony_F18
I doubt there will be a container from Holland to Ireland.
It's only about 5-6 hours pure driving, not counting time spent on ferries.
The ferries are also the biggest hurdle since the fares in the middle of summer are not that cheap.

Dermot: what do you think is the most economical/convenient way to get to Ireland?


Hmm I must be missing something. Google has this as a 16 hour trip. Even if you're spending 6 hours on ferries...

https://maps.google.com/maps?q=holl...HtUfOJHbjH4APBnoHIBw&ved=0CAoQ_AUoAg


Google Maps takes you through the Tunnel, and Dublin instead of Belfast, which involves a bit more driving, but might not be such a bad option.

In my route you would only have to drive from Harwich to Liverpool (430km) and the rest would be ferries (Rotterdam, Belfast).
https://maps.google.nl/maps?saddr=H...mp;doflg=ptk&mra=luc&t=m&z=8


There are like a dozen different options, googling a bit I also saw this one which goes through Scotland and you only drive 3,5h:
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Re: 2013 F18 Worlds [Re: Tony_F18] #261583
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No matter which route, it will take about 16 hours. As Tony says you can save on driving time if you get the Harwich and then Liverpool to Belfast (or Larne)ferries. I'm afraid that the Holyhead - Dublin ferry is one of the most expensive ferry crossings per mile in the world, especially towing a trailer. The ferry companies usually give discount for sporting events, but it is high season. I am sure that Barry, on the facebook site will have worked out a lot of answers already. Ask the questions. I am sure that he has already been in contact with the ferry companies.


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