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Re: AC72 Oracle Team USA Spaceship has landed [Re: P.M.] #264615
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There is a certain frustration and feeling of having lesser board speed on team N --you could hear it in the post race interview. After winning earlier races with better speed tacks gybes and roundings NOW an uncertainty . The tactics reflexed that uncertainty . Many of us have been there AND KNOW THE FEELING.

GREAT RACES by team O --THE AREA OF IMPROVEMENT might be practising time and distance + accelerationto the start line, they hesitated a few seconds too long in both races--evan Jobson noted it !

GREAT RACING congrats to all sailing and all involved --WHAT A SHOW !


Re: AC72 Oracle Team USA Spaceship has landed [Re: Tony_F18] #264619
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Originally Posted by Tony_F18
Without the jury penalties the score would have been 7-8 right now.


Even with the penalties, this has been a much closer event than anyone would have guessed. I was expecting basically a total blowout by one of the teams and it looks like it really could all come down to the last race.


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What would be funny is if Oracle ends up losing this thing with a higher number of wins than New Zealand. laugh


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Hey, I can say (easily) that I was wrong. Jimmy and the boys did a great job today. Dean and Ray looked uncomfortable and uncertain all day long. Fell for the same start twice and overstood the bottom repeatedly. Gybed into the great nothing when it meant everything. I rarely yell at my TV, but guilty of it today. Full marks, Oracle!


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Maybe it's because I grew up in New England, and am conditioned to expect the wheels to fall off the bus at the very end of any major championship/playoff series, but I still can't see Oracle winning four more before NZ wins one.

For the same reason, I can't believe they won both today. I really expected them to lose the first one at the top half of the beat. High and slow, staying in the foul current, wow... Still not sure why ETNZ didn't tack back to shore, may have been a huge game changer.

Very happy to be proven wrong on this, of course!!!

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Originally Posted by P.M.
Tony, NBCSN is ridiculous with the replays and commercials during races.


Larry has to at least recover a little bit of his investment by commercials for his company. If you turned it on early during last week. you got to see Babe Winkleman expounding on the virtues of crossbow hunting. How many commercials for the NFL, MLB or any other televised event?

This is everything that I hoped for and more. I wish I hadn't lost my Beta tapes of the Stars and Stripes Cat vs Michael Faye's mono monstrosity. Every once in a while by accident I will see Sea View TV which has after the fact coverage of the VOR and the Extreme 40 Cats.

No comparison.

My wife was at a meeting of the board of the local historical society and one of her old friends who is also on the board was in San Francisco to see the races and visit her sister. Even a high school English teacher was impressed.

All I can Say is, "WOW!".

Re: AC72 Oracle Team USA Spaceship has landed [Re: Karl_Brogger] #264624
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Originally Posted by Karl_Brogger

and it looks like it really could all come down to the last race.


Doesn't every AC come down to "the last race"? It might be one or it might be four, but it will be the last race.


"I said, now, I said ,pay attention boy!"

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Big difference in the confidence during the press conference between JS and DB. It shows.


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This article appeared on the front page of SA and shortly after it was put up it was removed.

If the tax stuff is true then might we see a Protocol 60 action against the Kiwi's? Maybe docked two points?

I think the fat lady has gone home for now.


dumb and dumber

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Suddenly they are slower than Oracle and tactically hesitant if not just plain stupid. They look as dumb or dumber than Oracle did in the first four races.

But off the water they look even more like idiots.

First, Emirates Air brought a plane in to SFO four days ago to take the “victorious” team to Auckland, in anticipation of a Kiwi “sure win” as their SFO station chief told me. And it’s been sitting at SFO since. Why would Grant Dalton permit that? Talk about bad karma.

Then they put down $300,000 as a deposit on a victory party to be held Friday or Saturday night, and guess what? The word around town is that they lost the entire deposit as the regatta continues much to the amazement, and pleasure, of everyone in San Francisco, except ETNZ and their supporters. We called but ETNZ declined comment.

But what really has the Kiwis’ knickers in a twist? Sailing Anarchy has learned that City, State and Federal authorities are investigating ETNZ for tax fraud. Supposedly Dalton grossed up team members’ pay packets before they left NZ, and ETNZ have been paying them minimum wages since they arrived in SF to minimize income taxes payable in the USA. If true, that, my friends, would be criminal.

So is it any wonder that Grant Dalton is no longer racing on the yacht? You thought he was hurt? Or does he just have his hands full on shore?

Adding insult to injury, hundreds of Kiwi fans have had to move out of their hotels today as Oracle Open World gets under way and over 50,000 conventioneers have arrived and checked into those same hotel rooms at four times the going rate.

Will the Kiwis leave their hearts, and the Cup, in San Francisco?


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THAT IS REDICULAS -we all know only selected US citizens deemed as political enemies and Tea party members are targeted by Obama's IRS .

joking as usual --but would politely suggest leaving that sites rediculas BS there --and not bring it here.


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suggested reading

particularly for current Am Cup hiearchy--and trash tabloid aficionodes alike .

A Full Cup: Sir Thomas Lipton's Extraordinary Life and His Quest for the America's Cup Paperback
by Michael D'Antonio (Author)
Today Lipton means tea. However, in his time Sir Thomas Lipton was known for much more than the Lipton tea empire. Raised in desperate poverty, he would build a global empire of markets, factories, plantations, and stockyards. But his epic pursuit of the America’s Cup—a yachting trophy and the ultimate in international sport—made him a beloved figure on both sides of the Atlantic.

More than a story of innovation and achievement, A Full Cup also explores Lipton’s most intriguing creation: his public persona, formed by a burgeoning mass media and a shameless self-promotion that made him one of the most recognizable figures of his time. Michael D’Antonio brings to life the surprising careers of this intrepid sailor, gregarious showman, and ingenious self-made millionaire—the world’s very first celebrity CEO.

Queen Victoria knighted Lipton for his commercial success as well as his philanthropy. During the Spanish-American war, and later during WWI, Lipton gave money and services to aid the wounded. A keen yachtsman, Lipton first challenged for the America's Cup in 1899, with his yacht, Shamrock. He made five attempts to win the cup, but never won. However, he earned a reputation as "the world's best loser,” and was presented with a gold cup by the people of America for his good sportsmanship in 1930. Although he tired of being the perennial good loser, he did not lose enthusiasm for the event which consumed so much of his life. "It has kept me young, eager, buoyant and hopeful. It has brought me health and splendid friends," he remarked shortly before his death. Lipton died in London in 1931. He had no heirs, and left much of his fortune to the city of Glasgow, to aid the poor, and to build hospitals. His tea companies in North America remained, and have since expanded into many areas of food production, to be leaders in the industry. Much of his fortune was spent unsuccessfully competing for the Americas Cup, the premier sailing trophy.


http://www.amazon.com/Full-Cup-Liptons-Extraordinary-Americas/dp/1594485216



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I think the folks who will end up making real money are the carbon-jocks and engineers who designed all these foils (sail and daggar)

Both teams have solid boats that sail fast, and probably use slightly different foil packages.

I suspect LE and ENTZ may have a few patents on the stuff... because I would assume that everyone wants to foil now...

Could you imagine the revenue for San Francisco if OTUSA wins the AC and decides to have it again in this area? Or hold the qualifying series stopover there? Everyone and their uncle will be itching to sail in the bay - from Optis to the LV boats to get ready. With some of the infrastructure already there it seems silly to let it all slip away when the circus leaves.


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