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Re: AC72 Oracle Team USA Spaceship has landed [Re: P.M.] #264990
09/24/13 08:58 PM
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Dean Barker after the presser. Doesn't sound very confident.



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Re: AC72 Oracle Team USA Spaceship has landed [Re: P.M.] #264991
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Surprised to hear Barker give the Oracle guys credit today.

Man - regardless of what happens tomorrow, epic stuff. Both teams will have earned it!


I believe!!!

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I'm thinking Dean's playing possum here a little. Just seems awfully gracious.

Hoping for some more fireworks tomorrow!

Re: AC72 Oracle Team USA Spaceship has landed [Re: P.M.] #264994
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Thanks for all the updates while I was away guys.

Phil, will the full replays be available tomorrow morning-noon ish?

Thanks again, sounds like it was two of the better starts/races.


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Re: AC72 Oracle Team USA Spaceship has landed [Re: Timbo] #264996
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Originally Posted by Timbo
Thanks for all the updates while I was away guys.

Phil, will the full replays be available tomorrow morning-noon ish?

Thanks again, sounds like it was two of the better starts/races.




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Re: AC72 Oracle Team USA Spaceship has landed [Re: P.M.] #264997
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What a critical moment in RACE 18 (2nd Race)
Time mark: 1:20:30 to 1:22:30
A lot is happening here, like 2 questionable tacks by NZ, but the "play it again moment" is when Oracle "foils" over NZ while maintaining the same height, and does it 5 knots faster than NZ. That gentlemen, is the Holy Grail for Oracle upwind.
Time positioned at 1:20:30


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Re: AC72 Oracle Team USA Spaceship has landed [Re: P.M.] #265000
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In a way, I think ETNZ has already lost much of what they wanted. At this point the score sheet will always show that OTUSA won more races. I don't think ETNZ wanted an asterisk beside the cup.

Re: AC72 Oracle Team USA Spaceship has landed [Re: P.M.] #265001
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The weather guy on CNN this morning just said it's supposed to blow 35 in SFO today. Dammit!

I hope he's wrong...


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Re: AC72 Oracle Team USA Spaceship has landed [Re: bacho] #265002
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It seems to me the jury has brought more attention to the O king post change and hurt the AC more than if they had just let O take themselves out of the pre cup races. If O does not win today it will always be the cup where the jury changed the outcome and how many times do we have to hear the reason O has two less wins every time they put up the race results.

Re: AC72 Oracle Team USA Spaceship has landed [Re: Karl_Brogger] #265003
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Originally Posted by Karl_Brogger
Originally Posted by Tony_F18
Could Oracle have been sandbagging the first races?
If not their progress if fenomenal!


Could be? There's talk on SA of the whole thing being rigged, while I doubt it, I also don't discount it as being a possibility.


something definitely doesn't add up.........

it's like NZL threw away the real crew and put a bunch rank amaturers

to me it looks like they are deliberately throwing it away....
cant belive the sudden change, if it looks like shyte, smells like shyte.... its probably shyte !!

crazy


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Re: AC72 Oracle Team USA Spaceship has landed [Re: Pirate] #265004
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Originally Posted by Pirate
Originally Posted by Karl_Brogger
Originally Posted by Tony_F18
Could Oracle have been sandbagging the first races?
If not their progress if fenomenal!


Could be? There's talk on SA of the whole thing being rigged, while I doubt it, I also don't discount it as being a possibility.


something definitely doesn't add up.........

it's like NZL threw away the real crew and put a bunch rank amaturers

to me it looks like they are deliberately throwing it away....
cant belive the sudden change, if it looks like shyte, smells like shyte.... its probably shyte !!

crazy


These guys are sailors - not hollywood actors - and you can see Deano's desperation on his face after the races yesterday. He really did look like a man who knows millions of people's hopes and dreams rest on his shoulders and he's not able to handle the burden anymore.

Re: AC72 Oracle Team USA Spaceship has landed [Re: P.M.] #265007
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If you think yesterday's race was the best ever, wait for the last one. With nothing to lose on either side, I'm expecting a full-on knife fight. It's going to be really hard to stick to a "game plan."

Mike

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Originally Posted by Pirate
Originally Posted by Karl_Brogger
Originally Posted by Tony_F18
Could Oracle have been sandbagging the first races?
If not their progress if fenomenal!


Could be? There's talk on SA of the whole thing being rigged, while I doubt it, I also don't discount it as being a possibility.


something definitely doesn't add up.........

it's like NZL threw away the real crew and put a bunch rank amaturers

to me it looks like they are deliberately throwing it away....
cant belive the sudden change, if it looks like shyte, smells like shyte.... its probably shyte !!

crazy


Really? That would be a pretty large conspiracy. Good luck trying to keep that hidden. It's really quite simple (Occam's Razor)...Oracle has made significant configuration and control changes to their boat and has a whole new upwind gear set. If there's anything sneaky to it, perhaps Oracle hasn't been showing everything they have upwind in the last several races until that last upwind leg. That was an astounding show of strength to come across the course and close that gap so fast. I can see why they might do this so as to not set New Zealand into a panic of development until it is too late.


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Originally Posted by Jake
Originally Posted by Pirate
Originally Posted by Karl_Brogger
Originally Posted by Tony_F18
Could Oracle have been sandbagging the first races?
If not their progress if fenomenal!


Could be? There's talk on SA of the whole thing being rigged, while I doubt it, I also don't discount it as being a possibility.


something definitely doesn't add up.........

it's like NZL threw away the real crew and put a bunch rank amaturers

to me it looks like they are deliberately throwing it away....
cant belive the sudden change, if it looks like shyte, smells like shyte.... its probably shyte !!

crazy


Really? That would be a pretty large conspiracy. Good luck trying to keep that hidden. It's really quite simple (Occam's Razor)...Oracle has made significant configuration and control changes to their boat and has a whole new upwind gear set. If there's anything sneaky to it, perhaps Oracle hasn't been showing everything they have upwind in the last several races. I can see why they might do this so as to not set New Zealand into a panic of development until it is too late.


Don't let reason get in the way of a good conspiracy theory.

Re: AC72 Oracle Team USA Spaceship has landed [Re: brucat] #265011
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Originally Posted by brucat
If you think yesterday's race was the best ever, wait for the last one. With nothing to lose on either side, I'm expecting a full-on knife fight. It's going to be really hard to stick to a "game plan."

Mike


I bet it's a clean start. These guys are showing incredible sportsmanship given the fire in their bellies. I'm proud to be a sailor with these guys around.

Compare those guys to this nightmare of public relations the last time a multihull was in the cup:
http://youtu.be/-h7pKHnZs1g?t=31s


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Wonder how many zeroes the Oracle boys will see added to their bank accounts once they win this thing, could add to some of the motivation.

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Originally Posted by Undecided
Originally Posted by Pirate
Originally Posted by Karl_Brogger
Originally Posted by Tony_F18
Could Oracle have been sandbagging the first races?
If not their progress if fenomenal!


Could be? There's talk on SA of the whole thing being rigged, while I doubt it, I also don't discount it as being a possibility.


something definitely doesn't add up.........

it's like NZL threw away the real crew and put a bunch rank amaturers

to me it looks like they are deliberately throwing it away....
cant belive the sudden change, if it looks like shyte, smells like shyte.... its probably shyte !!

crazy


These guys are sailors - not hollywood actors - and you can see Deano's desperation on his face after the races yesterday. He really did look like a man who knows millions of people's hopes and dreams rest on his shoulders and he's not able to handle the burden anymore.


My wife brought something like this up while we were watching the replay, that is they let them win to drag it out and make more money etc... She noted it looked like the Kiwi didn't bother showing up yesterday......

I told her this is not the LA Lakers in the Showtime Years where could have put a beat down on any of the teams the faced in the championship and kept it going for the TV money.

Anyway, here is what the wind is looking like today

TAF - Terminal Area Forecast
KOAK - Oakland, California
Updated at 11:53 AM GMT on September 25, 2013 (4:53 AM PDT):

TAF KOAK 251123Z 2512/2618 29011KT P6SM SKC
FM251800 28015G20KT P6SM SKC
FM252100 27018G24KT P6SM SKC
FM260300 28010KT P6SM SKC
FM260900 31004KT P6SM SKC
FM261500 03003KT P6SM SKC=


Decoded:

ID: KOAK Oakland, CA
REPORT TIME: 25 11:23
VALID TIME: 25 September AT 12:00Z to 26 September AT 18:00Z.
INITIAL WX
WINDS: 290 AT 11
VISIBILITY: >6.0 MILES
CLOUDS: CLEAR
NEW WX STARTING: 18:00Z
WINDS: 280 AT 15 GUST 20
VISIBILITY: >6.0 MILES
CLOUDS: CLEAR
NEW WX STARTING: 21:00Z
WINDS: 270 AT 18 GUST 24

VISIBILITY: >6.0 MILES
CLOUDS: CLEAR
NEW WX STARTING: 03:00Z
WINDS: 280 AT 10
VISIBILITY: >6.0 MILES
CLOUDS: CLEAR
NEW WX STARTING: 09:00Z
WINDS: 310 AT 4
VISIBILITY: >6.0 MILES
CLOUDS: CLEAR
NEW WX STARTING: 15:00Z
WINDS: 30 AT 3
VISIBILITY: >6.0 MILES
CLOUDS: CLEAR
COMMENTS: =



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Re: AC72 Oracle Team USA Spaceship has landed [Re: Jake] #265015
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Originally Posted by Jake
Originally Posted by brucat
If you think yesterday's race was the best ever, wait for the last one. With nothing to lose on either side, I'm expecting a full-on knife fight. It's going to be really hard to stick to a "game plan."

Mike


I bet it's a clean start. These guys are showing incredible sportsmanship given the fire in their bellies. I'm proud to be a sailor with these guys around.

Compare those guys to this nightmare of public relations the last time a multihull was in the cup:
http://youtu.be/-h7pKHnZs1g?t=31s


I'm a little worried about JS. He can sometimes handle the wheel aggressively when the adrenalin gets pumpin'. He lost a couple hundred meters here when this happened.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_q1Tfb7maQ&feature=player_detailpage#t=4536
If it's close racing at speed, I hope he handles the wheel like a volquartsen trigger.


Philip
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