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Re: AC72 Oracle Team USA Spaceship has landed [Re: P.M.] #265372
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That's an interesting schematic, thanks for posting Matt. I don't see any "Computer" inputs there, so in my mind, it's not really a Stability Augmentation System, which implys computer controlled stability, at least it does in Airplanes. This just looks like a hydrolic piston moving the board back and forth, in response to the buttons being pushed, up/down.

So why did it take them being down 8-1 to figure out how to use it?


OR...What if they inserted a sensor and a computer to do it faster/better during their layday?

Did they all of a sudden learn how to foil much more smoothly upwind? And ETNZ didn't?

Really?

Let's open the boat up and see!

Read this from the rules:

The operation for (i) and (ii) above, shall not receive external input from any source other than manual input. Any data acquisition system, associated sensors or electronics shall be physically separate and completely isolated from any electrical operation referred to in (i) and (ii) with the exception of the voltage supply.


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Re: AC72 Oracle Team USA Spaceship has landed [Re: P.M.] #265373
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I don't see HAL in that drawing...

Back to Leno, Jimmy got about 2 minutes on the air, and Jay didn't really have time to ask anything. The crowd was chanting "USA USA USA," to which Leno replied "He's Australian!?"

Then, in a clearly scripted and rehearsed manner, Jay gave Jimmy a champagne toast, Jimmy put it all in his mouth, and Jay said "I had all my money on New Zealand!" and Jimmy spit the champagne toward the camera.

Much better than listening to that adversity speech again...

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I knew there was a reason I don't watch that show.


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Originally Posted by Jake


I knew there was a reason I don't watch that show.


Awww c'mon... this cup was all about proving to the world that we sailors aren't a bunch of stuffy blue jacket funny hat types....

I was pretty pissed at the bit too at first but then I realized, its this kind of crap that the public likes...

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Highly unlikely New Zealand wants anything to do with him, as would any reputable entity.


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Yes. It is.

New Zealanders are grasping at straws and acting like a bunch of 13 year old spoiled drama queen girls.


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It' Dalton's last stand. He wants to go out in a ball of fire.


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Originally Posted by catman
It would be a good idea to E-mail NBC and tell them how much you enjoyed the coverage. Drop down box select "other" leave comment. http://www.nbc.com/contact/general/


Done. Thanks for the tip. Maybe we'll actually see a little more "yachting" on TV...


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The surmise that Oracle was way behind because SAS is bad in non-foiling mode is silly. They had a knot in their Code0 sheet which limited their manuevering and allowed NZ to stretch out


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How Oracle saved the Americas Cup

"But in the end, the victory came down to one of the oldest methods of rescue in team sports: calling a timeout to make adjustments."

"Oracle didn't like the test results and decided against the tactic. "They had it so wrong out of the blocks," said Ken Read, a former America's Cup skipper and current NBC Sports analyst. "It's shocking how much technology they had at their disposal and came out so wrong upwind."

"We just had to configure the boat properly," Ellison said Wednesday. "The guys on the engineering team finally...broke the code. Russell talked about driving the boat lower and faster, rather than higher and slower."


Note: Coutts has stated, that very early on it was Slingsby who pressed the team to foot and sail fast upwind, but his efforts were overruled by the team and engineers. Coutts has given full credit to Slingsby for championing the cause for that drastic change at a critical point in the series.


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QUIT PINCHING PHILIP!!! .... oh, sorry.

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Yeah, I believe you gave me some lip about that 10 years ago, and B Hodges and JC both cracked my butt not to do that. I'm a graduate and have the certificate to prove it. smile


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SO the boys started sailing their giant multihull upwind - like a giant multihull laugh

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In the last press conference Jimmy did say that they didn't actually change anything apart from the bowsprit.
The "the shorecrew is working day and night" was probably a big windup for the kiwis.

In the last few races the kiwis really messed up the start a few times as well and made some big tactical errors,
it was is they never changed their mindset from holding of Oracle to actually attacking them.

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Coutts says "Bollocks!" to the insinuation that there was automated foil control onboard:

http://www.sfgate.com/sports/article/Coutts-says-strategy-change-key-to-comeback-4847578.php

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Originally Posted by Tony_F18
In the last press conference Jimmy did say that they didn't actually change anything apart from the bowsprit.
The "the shorecrew is working day and night" was probably a big windup for the kiwis.

In the last few races the kiwis really messed up the start a few times as well and made some big tactical errors,
it was is they never changed their mindset from holding of Oracle to actually attacking them.


I suspected that, they would surely want the kiwis to fear the "upgraded" boat.

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Originally Posted by waterbug_wpb
[quote=catman]It would be a good idea to E-mail NBC and tell them how much you enjoyed the coverage. Drop down box select "other" leave comment. http://www.nbc.com/contact/general/


Done.

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