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Re: AC72 Oracle Team USA Spaceship has landed [Re: P.M.] #268173
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Re: AC72 Oracle Team USA Spaceship has landed [Re: P.M.] #268186
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hang on, it wasn't the foiling jibe issue for not using a soft sail. It was the sheet loads on a soft sail vs a wing. the wing is trimmed by 1 guy on a winch, giving a very quick response time. They would be luffing along/or pinching in the gusts, or going over because the main didn't let out fast enough.
The boats are too active for the soft sails in strong wind due to the crazy high main sheet load on a regular boom and the time it would take to ease and trim .

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Originally Posted by jollyrodgers
hang on, it wasn't the foiling jibe issue for not using a soft sail. It was the sheet loads on a soft sail vs a wing. the wing is trimmed by 1 guy on a winch, giving a very quick response time. They would be luffing along/or pinching in the gusts, or going over because the main didn't let out fast enough.
The boats are too active for the soft sails in strong wind due to the crazy high main sheet load on a regular boom and the time it would take to ease and trim .


Hmmmm...interesting point. I hadn't considered that. One of the complaints coming out of the Extreme 40's was the hydraulic mainsheet system and the painfully slow release that had (I would assume they improved it since the boats came out)


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If you drop in on this video at about 16 mins., it shows that the 40s have a tough time getting the main back in. The ease being slow isn't as detectible, maybe because the traveler is an option. When they let it out they need to reach slightly off while they are waiting to get the sail back in. Sometimes they pinch up to avoid the need to ease.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmpOb48Mp54
Jibing with the boom it looks like no big deal. If the main was out, then it would slam over. The wings hold the flow much better in the transitions in any case.
The force on the 72s sheet is 1 ton. Soft sail force? many times more. The force on the back beam changes too.

edit. so maybe it was the upwind foiling that he said would be hampered by a soft sail

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Re: AC72 Oracle Team USA Spaceship has landed [Re: Jake] #268196
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Of course on a X40 you don't have a bunch of guys on grinders. Hopefully the wings stay.


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Herbie's secrets revealed at last

"But if "Herbie" was so crucial, why was USA so far off the pace early in the regatta? The major factor, says Drummond, was the lack of co-ordination between replacement wing trimmer Kyle Langford and Spithill following Dirk de Ridder's suspension for cheating.

The relationship between helmsman and wing trimmer was similar to two people attempting to drive a car around a corner at high speed, explained Drummond."
. . . .

"The technology they employed is already filtering down to the recreational yachting sector.

Auckland boasts three 33ft cats capable of foiling just for fun, says Drummond, who owns one of them, SL33. It was used by Team New Zealand as an early training boat."


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LUNA ROSSA OFFICIALISES THE OPENING OF ITS NEW BASE AT CAGLIARI

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Luna Rossa Challenge moves to Cagliari where the team will install its new base in view of the 35th America’s Cup, scheduled to take place in the Summer of 2017.
The work to set up the base will start in the coming weeks and it is expected that it could be operating as early as March. From May onwards the sailing team will start training on the water.

Patrizio Bertelli, President of Luna Rossa Challenge, declared:
“We chose Cagliari because the weather conditions in this bay are ideal for training with catamarans. The city of Cagliari also offers excellent logistic solutions and has given us a particularly warm welcome. We are very pleased, after several years abroad, to have the team base back in Italy again.”

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So what's cookin' for AC35?
by Richard Gladwell

'We're pleased with the way the Challenger of Record, is acting. They are acting like a Challenger of Record and not a puppet that we have dealt with for the last ten years,'

Nationality is also obviously being discussed, with one recent poll of fans showing almost 80% were in favour of a tighter nationality requirement for the sailing crews.

'Certainly the talk has been about a Nationality Rule, and I think Russell (Coutts) wants a nationality rule – and we absolutely support a nationality rule,'

'Dalton says the Australian Challenger of Record, Hamilton Island Yacht Club, want real Cost Containment rules in the Protocol. 'The Aussies want cost containment, and we have been banging on about that for a long time.'

'In the immediate future the team has more pressing issues, with 40 container loads of gear, plus four AC72 hulls, and cross-beams, arriving at a base - which is soon to be demolished.'


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Rod Davis - still looking for answers after Cup defeat

'It’s still hard to believe that we out-prepared Oracle by that much, ahead of this regatta, and lost the regatta', he says with the incredulity of the 9-8 result, still to fully register.

'It is hard to come to grips with it. Normally when you out-prepare a team by that much in any sport, you come away with a victory. And it didn’t happen that way.'

'We had three races taken off us, and we were leading in all three. As the clock went on Oracle were getting stronger and stronger. With hindsight maybe we should have pushed to do more racing earlier on in the series.'

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Originally Posted by P.M.


'In the immediate future the team has more pressing issues, with 40 container loads of gear, plus four AC72 hulls, and cross-beams, arriving at a base - which is soon to be demolished.'


The base or gear?

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Originally Posted by bacho
Originally Posted by P.M.


'In the immediate future the team has more pressing issues, with 40 container loads of gear, plus four AC72 hulls, and cross-beams, arriving at a base - which is soon to be demolished.'


The base or gear?


Figures you would be the one asking that! ;-) The base is being demolished...they're trying to build a new one that will also be more of a tourist destination.


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Gary Jobson goes One on One with Ben Ainslie
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'We can’t wait around until Oracle releases the Protocol for the 35th America’s Cup'
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Originally Posted by Jake
Originally Posted by bacho
Originally Posted by P.M.


'In the immediate future the team has more pressing issues, with 40 container loads of gear, plus four AC72 hulls, and cross-beams, arriving at a base - which is soon to be demolished.'


The base or gear?


Figures you would be the one asking that! ;-) The base is being demolished...they're trying to build a new one that will also be more of a tourist destination.


Haha, can't help myself.

Sounds like a good idea. I think I would be interested in visiting if I was ever in the area.

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Artemis Racing Secures First Phase of Designers for AC35

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