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Re: Feelers out for Florida 300 [Re: cyberspeed] #268882
01/28/14 05:25 PM
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I would sign up for a race across to the Bahamas and take the chances with getting a decent window.


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Re: Feelers out for Florida 300 [Re: barbshort] #268883
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David Strickland an I have discussed participating in whatever Larry and Crew get together. While I haven't discussed the Bahamian run with him. I feel fairly certain that we would be in for that.
I mean, seriously, we will surprise you I drum drinks and Conch fritters are at the finish line..


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Re: Feelers out for Florida 300 [Re: barbshort] #268884
01/28/14 06:23 PM
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I'm pretty sure that my insurance agent would be willing to get me any insurance that I care to pay for.

A Bahamas runs is about 60 miles correct?


Re: Feelers out for Florida 300 [Re: orphan] #268886
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Originally Posted by orphan
One of the main drawback of distance races is the cost and manpower of the support teams. One of the advantages of races like the steeplchase is the you eliminate those costs. It looks like most of the raids that are becomming so popular are also setup so to eliminate those costs. The other thing that seems to attract people is warm water warm weather. We have the florida keys. Run the race in the same time frame that the Tybee was run but start and end in the keys. Maybe 25/35 mile legs. Two legs most days and maybe 3 short legs on one day. Total 5 days. You could run some great courses on the bay side back thru the islands on the Florida bay. Start in Ley Largo end in Key Largo. Both Ocean side and Bay side with a lap around Key West. By having shorter legs and multiple legs each day you keep the racing tighter. Scoring done on low points so you don't have to worry about keeping time.

Originally Posted by orphan
With the legs not being a straight line two people could start and finish each leg. By using a points system you only need to write down the sail numbers as they finish. The finish line only needs to be a line between two points. The boats do not have to finish at the beach. Leg 1 around black water sound thru the cut out around nest key and end at the sailing club on button wood bay. Lunch. Leg two out of the bay to a turning mark somewhere in the Florida bay and end up at the park in Tavennier. The next Day two legs that end in Marathon. Marathon to Key West Bay side. Key West to Marathon Ocean Side. Marathon to the Islander with turning mark running around the lighthouses and back to the shore. Last legs Islander to Jew fish creek thru anglefish. Plan each sail with breaks for lunch.

well thought out. It surely would be fun.

Re: Feelers out for Florida 300 [Re: samc99us] #268894
01/29/14 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by samc99us
I'm skeptical you absolutely cannot get insurance offshore. Will it be worth it $$ wise? Maybe not.


The underwriter looks at the design limits of the beachcat: Coastal only (can't remember the classification)

But yes, I'm guessing if you looked hard enough, someone might be able to write a (very restrictive) policy for a nice chunk of change...


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Re: Feelers out for Florida 300 [Re: pgp] #268895
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Originally Posted by pgp

Sailing across the stream on a beach cat is worthy of a bucket list even if I'm not racing.


Why not the Tiki and "rent" out some space for others on it?


Jay

Re: Feelers out for Florida 300 [Re: barbshort] #268896
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That's a thought but not a very adventurous one. You have to remember the Tiki design has circumnavigated and done a round trip crossing of the Atlantic in a single season. Plus it's slow.

http://forum.woodenboat.com/showthr...all-crosses-Atlantic-both-ways-in-Cookie

http://roryandcookie.blogspot.com/

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Re: Feelers out for Florida 300 [Re: bacho] #268899
01/29/14 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by bacho
I'm pretty sure that my insurance agent would be willing to get me any insurance that I care to pay for.

A Bahamas runs is about 60 miles correct?


Re: Feelers out for Florida 300 [Re: barbshort] #268900
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I'm buying a liability policy just for Wetafest, $250.


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Re: Feelers out for Florida 300 [Re: pgp] #268901
01/29/14 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by pgp
I'm buying a liability policy just for Wetafest, $250.


A liability policy for you or for the entire event organization? That's really expensive if it's just for an individual participating in one event.


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Originally Posted by MN3
53 miles due east of Miami


and easy to miss in less than optimal weather conditions...

Thank goodness for GPS and lighthouses... But being becalmed in the gulf stream for more than a few hours can add lots of extra sailing distance to get back south to Bimini.

Guess you'd probably need navigation lights, too, in case it gets dark.

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Re: Feelers out for Florida 300 [Re: barbshort] #268904
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One boat.


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Re: Feelers out for Florida 300 [Re: barbshort] #268905
01/29/14 03:03 PM
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You're getting ripped off. $1MM liability and collision coverage in the entire continental united states for my F18 costs about $230/year (and yes, that includes sails).

Waterbug, I know it can be unaffordable to get insurance for going offshore, in any vessel. The solo ocean racers very rarely have full hull coverage, especially the mini guys. But the insurance exists, it's all about how deep your pocket books are and if a total loss on your vessel is recoverable for you.

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Re: Feelers out for Florida 300 [Re: samc99us] #268906
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The biggest thing to look at is the insuring agreement and territories coverage applies. Policies are written on the exposure, and where that exposure would occur. Of course the issues of international waters and foreign governments are a whole other issue.


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Re: Feelers out for Florida 300 [Re: barbshort] #268907
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I've had Progressive for years, now they're telling me they don't cover racing.

I haven't bought the policy yet,it is for a new chartered boat.


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Re: Feelers out for Florida 300 [Re: pgp] #268908
01/29/14 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by pgp
I've had Progressive for years, now they're telling me they don't cover racing.

I haven't bought the policy yet,it is for a new chartered boat.


I would check around. This is one area that US Sailing does offer a reasonable benefit. They usually have an insurance agency as a partner that will help with specific sailing related issues.

I have progressive coverage on my boats and they do cover racing...hopefully I'm not about to get a letter.


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Re: Feelers out for Florida 300 [Re: barbshort] #268909
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I think it matters who answers the phone. I'll call Progressive and pursue it in greater detail.


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Re: Feelers out for Florida 300 [Re: barbshort] #268910
01/29/14 04:57 PM
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I have state farm, and had my agent check with their underwriter. I'm betting the underwriter is the same, and they do cover racing. Another difference is my boat spends hurricane season out of hurricane territory. Not sure how that affects the rates. YMMV.

What is liability insurance like now for regatta organizers? I recall this being a sticky point for the Tybee 500 and part of the entry fee, plus part of why these races are tough...

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Re: Feelers out for Florida 300 [Re: barbshort] #268912
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State Farm here covers the C2 for $16k plus 100k liability for about $185yr. Funny thing thing is that liability only on the Hobie 16 was a little more expensive. State Farm covers racing for sail boats.

They seemed mostly concerned about how and where the boat was stored.

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Re: Feelers out for Florida 300 [Re: pgp] #268918
01/29/14 09:32 PM
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Originally Posted by pgp
I've had Progressive for years, now they're telling me they don't cover racing.

I haven't bought the policy yet,it is for a new chartered boat.


They explicitly told me they did cover racing, and it's who I'm insured with on the A and F-18 for 4 or 5 years now. I've had other comp. tell me that and change their tune, but since Progressive paid on a mast last year with no question, I'll give them the benefit of the doubt.


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