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[Re: RickWhite]
#269250 02/11/14 03:59 PM 02/11/14 03:59 PM |
Joined: Dec 2001 Posts: 5,590 Naples, FL waterbug_wpb
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Posts: 5,590 Naples, FL | I believe that E-15 is for those "Flex-Fuel" branded cars only.
Most marine manufacturers have said using any ethanol blended fuel will void their warranty on the motors and fuel systems.
Ethanol absorbs moisture (bad) causing phase separation.
Ethanol also removes some of the varnish and deposits in the cylinder heads/valves which then moves around and cruds up everything.
Most importantly (to a cheapskate like me), Ethanol does not contain the same amount of energy per gallon as gasoline, so I'm getting fewer miles/gallon using E10 fuel.
My outboard mechanic said E10 will corrode the aluminum carburetor in a short period of time, and it could eat some of the fuel hose, clogging the filter.
Ethanol should be used for cleaning and drinking
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[Re: RickWhite]
#269256 02/11/14 07:32 PM 02/11/14 07:32 PM |
Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 12,310 South Carolina Jake
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Posts: 12,310 South Carolina | It's actually cars prior to 2001 that shouldn't use the E15 stuff (that fox report that said 2012 was wrong). I haven't seen the E15 in any gas stations but I suspect the public is at it's threshold with the 10% ethanol stuff and the blow back will make it go away soon enough.
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[Re: RickWhite]
#269268 02/12/14 07:04 AM 02/12/14 07:04 AM |
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Posts: 858 Victoria Australia | We have E85 (85% ethanol/15% unleaded fuel) here in Australia we even run our V8 race cars on it.... (think NASCAR engines) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_VVS-Cc6BAI have 2 cars here that love the stuff and actually have better dyno figures with E85 than the usual pump stuff and indeed some of the not so usual pump fuels.... and before we all argue about it being an Australian thing.... ONE of the engines is from your beloved ole USA Pricing is competitive too with the ethanol fuels on average 10-20% cheaper over traditional fuels. yes we use more but not 10-20% more so it does actually save you $$$$$$ Older engines don't like it so much but, specifically re-built engines and tuned to run on ethanol fuels will give better power and economy over the original engine even when it was at its very best. http://www.ethanolanswers.com.au/ethanol/Oh..... your fuel prices are dirt cheap too in comparision to ours Here...... 1lit of premium unleaded ~$1:70 3.7854 lits = 1 us gallon therefore..... $1:70 x 3.7854= $6:43 a GALLON and your paying how much a gallon E85 sells for around ~$1:50 a lit... Yar, & this ere post be done without a sin'le drop o' rum passin' me lips
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[Re: rehmbo]
#269269 02/12/14 07:17 AM 02/12/14 07:17 AM |
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Posts: 774 Greenville SC | Still being fought - article hereUnless you plan on burning all the fuel within a week or two, never use automotive pump gas as you can never be absolutely sure whether its an ethanol blend or not. Don't ask me how I know... This, it's really bad in applications like outdoor power equipment. | | | Re: Is this true about our auto gas
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#269270 02/12/14 07:19 AM 02/12/14 07:19 AM |
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Posts: 774 Greenville SC | And the publics opinion on what gas we buy matters to who exactly? We buy what they put in the pumps. You can vote with your wallet, plenty of stations around here have started selling non-ethanol again. | | | Re: Is this true about our auto gas
[Re: RickWhite]
#269276 02/12/14 09:48 AM 02/12/14 09:48 AM |
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Posts: 4,118 Northfield Mn | Ethanol is basically alcohol. Alcohol has about half the energy per volume. In some performance scenarios it makes sense because of the added cooling and lower cylinder temps with pounding so much more fuel in.
I'm boatless.
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[Re: Karl_Brogger]
#269278 02/12/14 10:59 AM 02/12/14 10:59 AM |
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Posts: 5,590 Naples, FL | Energy Density in Volume (MJ/L)
Hydrogen Gas = 0.01005 Methane = 0.0378 CNG = 9 LPG Propane = 25.3 Gasoline = 34.2 Diesel Fuel = 37.3 Jet A Fuel = 33.0 E10 Gas = 33.18 E85 Gas = 25.53 Biodiesel = 33 Ethanol = 24
ANFO (you make bombs with it) = Lots Antimatter = 9.266 x10^104
I suspect that E15 and E85 contain other additives to increase the energy content per liter.
There's nothing against burning ethanol (or wood, or any other material), you just have to optimize the engine for that particular fuel.
In the case of E15 - E85, older cars just aren't optimized for those characteristics.
I'd prefer Antimatter, but maybe that's in next year's model cars...
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[Re: rehmbo]
#269287 02/12/14 03:23 PM 02/12/14 03:23 PM |
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Posts: 5,590 Naples, FL | I agree it's more of the corrosion thing in marine engines that has me concerned...
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[Re: RickWhite]
#269318 02/13/14 10:12 AM 02/13/14 10:12 AM |
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Posts: 2,490 On the Water | Buy it whenever you can. They have a simple app for Android and iPhone. PureGas
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[Re: RickWhite]
#269325 02/13/14 11:06 AM 02/13/14 11:06 AM |
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#269326 02/13/14 11:55 AM 02/13/14 11:55 AM |
Joined: Mar 2009 Posts: 932 Solomon's Island, MD samc99us
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Posts: 932 Solomon's Island, MD | And the publics opinion on what gas we buy matters to who exactly? We buy what they put in the pumps. You can vote with your wallet, plenty of stations around here have started selling non-ethanol again. Maybe you can, but the only stations on this list ( http://pure-gas.org/index.jsp?stateprov=MD) within a 1 hour drive are Marinas. I know the places and their docs aren't going to support even my 3,000lb econo car.
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