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Is this true about our auto gas #269249
02/11/14 03:27 PM
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Just got an email with the link below on ethanol in our gas. I know for Outboards you need to use Rec90, which is free of ethanol, but this sounds really bad.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceW9Nc1hVHU


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Re: Is this true about our auto gas [Re: RickWhite] #269250
02/11/14 03:59 PM
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I believe that E-15 is for those "Flex-Fuel" branded cars only.

Most marine manufacturers have said using any ethanol blended fuel will void their warranty on the motors and fuel systems.

Ethanol absorbs moisture (bad) causing phase separation.

Ethanol also removes some of the varnish and deposits in the cylinder heads/valves which then moves around and cruds up everything.

Most importantly (to a cheapskate like me), Ethanol does not contain the same amount of energy per gallon as gasoline, so I'm getting fewer miles/gallon using E10 fuel.

My outboard mechanic said E10 will corrode the aluminum carburetor in a short period of time, and it could eat some of the fuel hose, clogging the filter.

Ethanol should be used for cleaning and drinking

Last edited by waterbug_wpb; 02/11/14 04:00 PM.

Jay

Re: Is this true about our auto gas [Re: RickWhite] #269256
02/11/14 07:32 PM
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It's actually cars prior to 2001 that shouldn't use the E15 stuff (that fox report that said 2012 was wrong). I haven't seen the E15 in any gas stations but I suspect the public is at it's threshold with the 10% ethanol stuff and the blow back will make it go away soon enough.


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Re: Is this true about our auto gas [Re: RickWhite] #269259
02/11/14 08:26 PM
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Ethanol: half the mileage for twice the cost.


I'm boatless.
Re: Is this true about our auto gas [Re: RickWhite] #269260
02/11/14 08:41 PM
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Still being fought - article here
Unless you plan on burning all the fuel within a week or two, never use automotive pump gas as you can never be absolutely sure whether its an ethanol blend or not. Don't ask me how I know... frown


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Re: Is this true about our auto gas [Re: RickWhite] #269261
02/11/14 08:42 PM
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And the publics opinion on what gas we buy matters to who exactly? We buy what they put in the pumps.


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Re: Is this true about our auto gas [Re: RickWhite] #269268
02/12/14 07:04 AM
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We have E85 (85% ethanol/15% unleaded fuel) here in Australia

we even run our V8 race cars on it.... (think NASCAR engines)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_VVS-Cc6BA

I have 2 cars here that love the stuff and actually have better dyno figures with E85 than the usual pump stuff and indeed some of the not so usual pump fuels.... wink
and before we all argue about it being an Australian thing....
ONE of the engines is from your beloved ole USA
grin


Pricing is competitive too with the ethanol fuels on average 10-20% cheaper over traditional fuels.
yes we use more but not 10-20% more so it does actually save you $$$$$$
wink



Older engines don't like it so much but, specifically re-built engines and tuned to run on ethanol fuels will give better power and economy over the original engine even when it was at its very best.




http://www.ethanolanswers.com.au/ethanol/





Oh.....

your fuel prices are dirt cheap too in comparision to ours

Here...... 1lit of premium unleaded ~$1:70
3.7854 lits = 1 us gallon
therefore.....

$1:70 x 3.7854= $6:43 a GALLON
shocked
and your paying how much a gallon
sick


E85 sells for around ~$1:50 a lit...

cool




Yar, & this ere post be done without a sin'le drop o' rum passin' me lips

Kingy
started with Impara Cadet #3 / Mosquito #245
& now Mosquitos #1182 & #1740

Re: Is this true about our auto gas [Re: rehmbo] #269269
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Originally Posted by rehmbo
Still being fought - article here
Unless you plan on burning all the fuel within a week or two, never use automotive pump gas as you can never be absolutely sure whether its an ethanol blend or not. Don't ask me how I know... frown


This, it's really bad in applications like outdoor power equipment.

Re: Is this true about our auto gas [Re: samc99us] #269270
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Originally Posted by samc99us
And the publics opinion on what gas we buy matters to who exactly? We buy what they put in the pumps.


You can vote with your wallet, plenty of stations around here have started selling non-ethanol again.

Re: Is this true about our auto gas [Re: RickWhite] #269276
02/12/14 09:48 AM
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Ethanol is basically alcohol. Alcohol has about half the energy per volume. In some performance scenarios it makes sense because of the added cooling and lower cylinder temps with pounding so much more fuel in.


I'm boatless.
Re: Is this true about our auto gas [Re: Karl_Brogger] #269278
02/12/14 10:59 AM
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Energy Density in Volume (MJ/L)

Hydrogen Gas = 0.01005
Methane = 0.0378
CNG = 9
LPG Propane = 25.3
Gasoline = 34.2
Diesel Fuel = 37.3
Jet A Fuel = 33.0
E10 Gas = 33.18
E85 Gas = 25.53
Biodiesel = 33
Ethanol = 24

ANFO (you make bombs with it) = Lots
Antimatter = 9.266 x10^104


I suspect that E15 and E85 contain other additives to increase the energy content per liter.

There's nothing against burning ethanol (or wood, or any other material), you just have to optimize the engine for that particular fuel.

In the case of E15 - E85, older cars just aren't optimized for those characteristics.


I'd prefer Antimatter, but maybe that's in next year's model cars...


Jay

Re: Is this true about our auto gas [Re: waterbug_wpb] #269282
02/12/14 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by waterbug_wpb

I'd prefer Antimatter, but maybe that's in next year's model cars...

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Re: Is this true about our auto gas [Re: RickWhite] #269285
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The issue for boat and power sports owners is not the energy density, it's alcohol's affinity for water. It wreaks havoc on everything marine.


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Re: Is this true about our auto gas [Re: rehmbo] #269287
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I agree it's more of the corrosion thing in marine engines that has me concerned...


Jay

Re: Is this true about our auto gas [Re: RickWhite] #269292
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Corrosion is one thing. Stratification in the fuel is quite another. The latter will totally eff up your fuel injection system no matter what kind of filtering you have.


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Re: Is this true about our auto gas [Re: waterbug_wpb] #269303
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The Ethanol also seems to eat up all the rubber parts in the small engine yard equipment.

Re: Is this true about our auto gas [Re: RickWhite] #269317
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I drive a 20 year old Z-car. In the past 18 months I've had to have the injectors replaced, the fuel lines replaced, and the tank dropped and drained. All ethanol related problems. I run premium fuel, keep the tank topped off, and use a fuel stabilizer, but that is not enough...

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Re: Is this true about our auto gas [Re: RickWhite] #269325
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thanks!

Re: Is this true about our auto gas [Re: bacho] #269326
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Originally Posted by bacho
Originally Posted by samc99us
And the publics opinion on what gas we buy matters to who exactly? We buy what they put in the pumps.


You can vote with your wallet, plenty of stations around here have started selling non-ethanol again.


Maybe you can, but the only stations on this list (http://pure-gas.org/index.jsp?stateprov=MD) within a 1 hour drive are Marinas. I know the places and their docs aren't going to support even my 3,000lb econo car.


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