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#269908 03/06/14 02:54 AM 03/06/14 02:54 AM |
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Posts: 858 Victoria Australia | One South African mosquito sailor has been playing with it for a while now .... BARNEY 2015 bit more about it on the .... African Mozzies on F.B. and at the African mozzies HOME page I did have the details of the sail cut but have misplaced it.... will add it when I find it Yar, & this ere post be done without a sin'le drop o' rum passin' me lips
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#269950 03/06/14 04:05 PM 03/06/14 04:05 PM |
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Posts: 104 gold coast | Would this be something Australian Mosquitos class could adopt or should South Africa and Australia have the same rules Square top sails may be a way to get more interest in from future sailers into this class The arrow class said that the square top sails were easier to control in windier conditions there for safer ( I believe this they be pushed by the safety issue , which has led to more sailers in class ) This is only a through be me only Once again not trying to cause any conflict Arrow info from a couple of arrow sailers which may not be correct
Brett Kelly Fast Energy Gold Coast
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#269953 03/06/14 04:58 PM 03/06/14 04:58 PM |
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Posts: 81 To windward of you! | Our mast section will be a big issue, they are too flexable to be effective with the square top. Also as mentioned you need to get more leech tension therefore would need bigger mainsheet systems.
The cobra's are currently trying to go down this path and so far only one boat has been trialing it as far as i know.
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#269955 03/06/14 05:28 PM 03/06/14 05:28 PM |
Joined: May 2011 Posts: 108 Port Hedland Beckit 1824 OP
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Posts: 108 Port Hedland | Gents,
Again, I guess we could ask the SA chapter how they dealt with the handicap and Hobie 16 conflict, but from recent handicapping results it seems more on who you know and what way the wind is blowing than materials and design. With the massive differences already between the two classes in hull and sail they seem to already be on opposite ends of the spectrum depending on the weather conditions. Personally I didn't join mozzies to sail against Hobies, but because it seemed a great social class and I wanted to sail against other mozzies.
I think the modern look would help attract new sailors to the class without any great difference to the boat, as it looks good and modern for something designed in 1960s. I also think that in light to moderate winds the sheeting systems people are using now would provide sufficient leach tension, and above that it you would probably want it to twist off. The Arrows use a PT mast section, and they have only recently gone to diamond wires.
I am not trying to upset the apple cart, but after the experiencing the differences between sailing with and without a kite, and people stating this kept them in the class, that this would perhaps be another step forward. Here in NSW I have heard of the demise of Cobras, Maricats and Stingray classes, and the measures the Arrows have taken to survive. We have seen the effect of Taipans and recently Vipers and A class on mozzie numbers. Through the efforts of the class, mozzies seem to be on the increase, and my reason for bringing up this topic is that I think this is another option to continue that trend. I think that Mozzies could become one of the last classes that people can build at home and sail competitively with far more expensive classes.
Luke
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#269970 03/07/14 02:36 AM 03/07/14 02:36 AM |
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Posts: 76 Qld | Are people aware that you can get the same size mast section that also has internal reinforcing ribs to stiffen the section.
I believe it is used for cross beams on cobras and hydra cats.
Dave 1724
David Madden 1724 Brisbane Valley Sailing Club Mossies are still alive in Qld.
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#269971 03/07/14 04:31 AM 03/07/14 04:31 AM |
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Posts: 80 Rye, Victoria | I agree that we should look at this option. try something similar to the cobra as I don't think they altered their rig at all if any, we need to think about the next 40 years of the mosquitos class and this would bring the class into the current trend for all new the classes, look at the tornados, 49ers,Taser all have updated their rig to fat heads, and for that matter most keel boats now run fat head sails, lets not think about what we want to sail but what the next generation want to sail if we want the mosquito to attack new blood.
Gordon Hyde Air Apparent 1520
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#269973 03/07/14 05:58 AM 03/07/14 05:58 AM |
Joined: Jun 2009 Posts: 175 Melbourne Nic M
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Posts: 175 Melbourne | I tend to agree as long as the changes are simple and dont cause a lot of extra expense, apart from a new sail (always up for a new one). The Mossie is relatively inexpensive and a great boat, just got to keep that theme and not obsolete boats with a rule change.......
....I'll leave the technical merits up to the experts.....I'd love to hear their views!!!!
Definaty worth some consideration.......just as long as we don't "break" a great class.....
Nic Maan Sanity 1815
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#269999 03/08/14 04:10 AM 03/08/14 04:10 AM |
Joined: Nov 2012 Posts: 70 Port Vincent, SA Hack
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Posts: 70 Port Vincent, SA | Hi all,
I'm enjoying this discussion. I think I speak for all the PVSC mozzie sailors (and as of today we have a new one!) that the reasons we like this class are: - Flexibility; cat, sloop, spinnaker options - Bang for buck; great performance at family friendly price - Great sailing community
In my opinion, any changes to sail shape (which I support, in theory) need to be thoroughly investigated by the relevant state/national bodies and any future changes be made in the most COST EFFECTIVE manner.
As a relative newcomer (14 months) I think the (potential) recognition of the spinnaker fleet is a great step forward, and sail shape change appears to be a logical step. Put a timeline on it though, eg; plan do develop the sail over the next 2,3 or 4 years and only introduce when its as close to bulletproof as you're ever going to get.
My two-bobs worth.
Hack
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#270067 03/09/14 08:59 PM 03/09/14 08:59 PM |
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Posts: 858 Victoria Australia | ..... sail shape change appears to be a logical step ..... From what I saw at the Vic state titles its already moving away from the traditional pinhead sails.... There was a few boats that ran this shape, this one being the most clearly obvious with the others less noticeable but enough to be seen as a non traditional cut. ![[Linked Image]](http://i961.photobucket.com/albums/ae97/BADZX/Portarlington%202014%20state%20titles/219_zps98e4995e.jpg) Yar, & this ere post be done without a sin'le drop o' rum passin' me lips
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#270068 03/09/14 09:20 PM 03/09/14 09:20 PM |
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Posts: 858 Victoria Australia | .... lets not think about what we want to sail but what the next generation want to sail if we want the mosquito to attack new blood.... What I witnessed at the titles suprised the hell out of me, as I left the rescue boat and waded back to the beach, one of the beach goers remarked on how lovely all the mosquitos were, she then asked what all the other boats racing with them were...... I remarked that they were mostly mosquitos with a few arrow catamarans, the arrows have an "arrow head" symbol, she then said but what are the other ones that haven't got the mosquito word on them ???So from a non sailing perspective, if you want people to know "what boat is that" then this is probably one hell of an advertising tool that we are missing all together ![shocked shocked](/forum/images/graemlins/default/shocked.gif) ![[Linked Image]](http://i961.photobucket.com/albums/ae97/BADZX/Portarlington%202014%20state%20titles/083_zps86622e08.jpg) even at a great distance & back to front.... the type of boat is clearly visible ![[Linked Image]](http://i961.photobucket.com/albums/ae97/BADZX/Portarlington%202014%20state%20titles/070_zps1258a928.jpg) Ask any non sailing person what boat that is and I'll bet 99% will say its a mosquito.... ![wink wink](/forum/images/graemlins/default/wink.gif) the seed is planted, they'll have a boat type they can identify with instantly, that might help if they take up sailing ![wink wink](/forum/images/graemlins/default/wink.gif) attracting new blood for the swarm could be as simple as a single word... ![wink wink](/forum/images/graemlins/default/wink.gif) If we are to upgrade to a fat-head or square top sail then while we are at it then maybe the word mosquito should be a major part of that plan.... just typing out-loud here ![wink wink](/forum/images/graemlins/default/wink.gif) Yar, & this ere post be done without a sin'le drop o' rum passin' me lips
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