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Re: How in the world can we lose an entire jumbo jet today? [Re: David Ingram] #270443
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I am not talking about here, but in the news. Lots of coverage of the missing (probably crached) airplane, very little on the russian landgrab.

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Re: How in the world can we lose an entire jumbo jet today? [Re: Rolf_Nilsen] #270449
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Originally Posted by Rolf_Nilsen
What could be more structured than "planes crash now and then, sometimes they crash in places where they are really hard to relocate".. I think it is the mystery that lets people fantasize and theorize attracting attention to this.

In the news, this missing plane totally overshadows that the cold war version 2 have started.


There aren't many answers to be had there...full of emotional voids.

I had to go back and research that whole Ukrainian situation yesterday because I got lost in the latest reports without some of the details...like that time I registered for Fortran II before I had Foretran I. After three weeks of class, I start wondering if I missed something. (In my defense, however, it wasn't so cleverly named with the "II"). I bought the 1 book and got caught up in two weeks - finished at the top of the class. The wide details weren't exactly my thing.


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Re: How in the world can we lose an entire jumbo jet today? [Re: Jake] #270450
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that has a nice ring to it:

Cold War 2.0


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Re: How in the world can we lose an entire jumbo jet today? [Re: Jake] #270451
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The first one is over? Who won?


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Re: How in the world can we lose an entire jumbo jet today? [Re: pgp] #270453
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I believe they claimed it was over when USSR turned into Russia


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Re: How in the world can we lose an entire jumbo jet today? [Re: Jake] #270454
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Did they turn in their nukes?


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Re: How in the world can we lose an entire jumbo jet today? [Re: pgp] #270455
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no, they just sold them off to the Iranians and pretty much any other bidder.

I believe there are a few still there under rusty padlocks


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Re: How in the world can we lose an entire jumbo jet today? [Re: Jake] #270457
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If the Iranians had a nuke, they would have used it already. On us or Israel, but they definitely would have used it.

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Re: How in the world can we lose an entire jumbo jet today? [Re: waterbug_wpb] #270458
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I hope my scenario is the more accurate.

http://www.ploughshares.org/world-nuclear-stockpile-report


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Re: How in the world can we lose an entire jumbo jet today? [Re: Jake] #270464
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Ukraina handed their soviet nukes over to Russia under an agreement where Russia, Great Britain and France guarnteed their territorial integrity and security.. Whoops.

Nobody wins a war btw. It is just a matter of how much each side loses. Hence the term "Amateurs study strategy, professionals study logistics".

Re: How in the world can we lose an entire jumbo jet today? [Re: Rolf_Nilsen] #270465
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I'd agree with that. Whomever loses the least...wins?


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Re: How in the world can we lose an entire jumbo jet today? [Re: waterbug_wpb] #270468
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When you piss away the economy and sons, daughters, dads and mums as expendables.. Even losing the least is bad enough in my book.

Sorry for the thread hijack. Hopefully the airplane with all passengers turn up at an old disused WW2 airfield outside HF radio coverage where they are busy playing "Cast Away".


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Originally Posted by Rolf_Nilsen
When you piss away the economy and sons, daughters, dads and mums as expendables.. Even losing the least is bad enough in my book.

Sorry for the thread hijack. Hopefully the airplane with all passengers turn up at an old disused WW2 airfield outside HF radio coverage where they are busy playing "Cast Away".




That'd be one hell of a story.


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Re: How in the world can we lose an entire jumbo jet today? [Re: waterbug_wpb] #270493
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Originally Posted by waterbug_wpb
I'd agree with that. Whomever loses the least...wins?




We'll tie it all back in now, see, war is just like sailboat racing.

Sailboat races aren't won, they are lost.

Good moves don't win them, bad moves lose them!

And I think we were being 'shadowed' last night on the way home from Dubai!!


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Preparation and luck play key roles as well.

If everyone prepared perfectly, had no luck factors (wind shifts, traffic, breakdowns, aliens, etc.) and sailed perfectly, every race would end in a tie.

Think about that the next time you are tempted to file for redress after being called OCS...

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Re: How in the world can we lose an entire jumbo jet today? [Re: Jake] #270514
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Anyone watching CNN today?

more BREAKING NEWS!

Turns out they descended down to 12,000' when they turned back....

Gee...who woulda thunk it?

Every trained pilot.

I stand by my original scenario; rapid depressurization and/or smoke/fire, the pilots turned back and descended, but then were overcome by the smoke/fumes, the airplane continued to fly on autopilot until it ran out of gas and it went into the sea. I doubt they will find it any time soon.

God bless the Aussies for trying, but I doubt there's any floating debris left by now, and even if they do find some, by now it's so far away from the point of impact, they may never find the airframe or the black (orange) boxes.


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Re: How in the world can we lose an entire jumbo jet today? [Re: Karl_Brogger] #270522
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Originally Posted by Karl_Brogger

That'd be one hell of a story.


LOST 2

shocked
I'll just go n cut my throat now.......


Yar, & this ere post be done without a sin'le drop o' rum passin' me lips

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Re: How in the world can we lose an entire jumbo jet today? [Re: Timbo] #270544
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Originally Posted by Timbo
they may never find the airframe or the black (orange) boxes.


yes, but at least a debris find would support your hypothesis that the pilots did everything they could to save the flight and were't terrorists or whack-jobs.

PS I still think someone's submarine "heard" the plane hit the water... but they won't divulge it either because "no one asked" (like Taiwan) or they don't want to divulge how good their stuff is

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Bringing us back to sailing for a brief moment... CNN, since at least Thursday, has been running footage from the last VOR to show what the conditions can be like down there. Apparently, no one else is insane enough to be on that water, let alone shooting video...

What I haven't heard mentioned, is this an area north of the iceberg and growler range? Presumably, being the end of their summer, this wouldn't be an issue; but it would be something else to discuss, other than the complete BS about shadowing.

Speaking of which, did anyone catch the panel of three guys discussing the shadow theory? They were discussing the theory that the jet diverted to shadow a different plane out of Singapore, to head out to an unknown destination in mid-Asia.

One was an ex-fighter pilot (British-sounding accent), one was a 777 (or similar) pilot, the third was some sort of analyst. The fighter pilot was visibly outraged, and stated as much, that anyone was wasting their time on this idea. The 777 pilot pointed out how nearly completely impossible this would be to pull off. The analyst pointed to some reference that Israel used two large jets to pull off a military event, flying over Egypt and another country undetected, so he was sticking by his guns that the shadow theory is real. I thought the fighter pilot was going to punch him out...

Mike

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That's why they are "Analyst" and not pilots! They work in rooms without windows, and they live in fantasy land, whereas the pilots have had to go out into the dark of night, and deal with the reality of trying to pull off something like that; unrehearsed, un briefed, and timed exactly, to an unknown other airplane, (the Singapore flight) and 'hope' it's going in the right direction.

The Prime Minister of Malaysia is now saying Flight 370 ended in the Indian Ocean.

I don't know what debris they have found to confirm that...maybe he's just trying to send the families home?


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