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Scheurer G7 -- another foiling design, that can be done solo #271269
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Scheurer G7
Looks like another foiling design ; should be getting
cheaper to buy, with more competition entering the market ?

http://www.catsailingnews.com/2014/04/a-class-new-scheurer-g7-foiling-mode.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjHDuILoXpc

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Re: Scheurer G7 -- another foiling design, that can be done solo [Re: Bille] #271271
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Oh my mind...camera zoom should never be used on an unstable platform.


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Re: Scheurer G7 -- another foiling design, that can be done solo [Re: Jake] #271274
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Originally Posted by Jake
Oh my mind...camera zoom should never be used on an unstable platform.


It pains me to say this, (cause i think "Your" just as
Unstable
as the camera used in this film )

But YEA, i also got sea-sick watching the video.

Still though, solo on this machine, looks to be WAY
more fun , than solo on a Moth ?

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Re: Scheurer G7 -- another foiling design, that can be done solo [Re: Bille] #271275
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Originally Posted by Bille
Still though, solo on this machine, looks to be WAY
more fun , than solo on a Moth ?


If I were given either for free, I wouldn't complain. Given the choice between the two? Tough call for me. Probably the cat, just because I don't live in a great place to be sailing a Moth.


I'm boatless.
Re: Scheurer G7 -- another foiling design, that can be done solo [Re: Karl_Brogger] #271276
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I don't know...the moth seems to be a more efficient platform for foiling. Half as many foils, smaller, lighter. I suppose that maybe the cat is better suited for the upper speed end of things (once they get better stability through design) but the moth is going to be foiling at lower wind ranges.


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Re: Scheurer G7 -- another foiling design, that can be done solo [Re: Bille] #271277
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Somehow I imagine sailing a moth is a bit like riding a unicycle: A great way to hurt yourself. Doesn't mean I don't want to try smile

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Re: Scheurer G7 -- another foiling design, that can be done solo [Re: Bille] #271278
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Also, you can buy used foiling moths under $7k which doesn't get you much of an A-cat, much less a foiling one.

Re: Scheurer G7 -- another foiling design, that can be done solo [Re: Bille] #271279
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You can get it for 7k but you won't be competitive at that price and you can't sail in less than 4 or 5 feet of water ever. Well I guess you could as long as you were foiling and didn't come down.


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If a man is to be obsessed by something.... I suppose a boat is as good as anything... perhaps a bit better than most.
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Re: Scheurer G7 -- another foiling design, that can be done solo [Re: Bille] #271289
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Not sure if you want to sail any foiling craft in less than 4/5 ft of water.
Somehow I think launching a foiling cat solo would be a major pain in the butt. Not like you can leave it while you take the cattraks back to shore. It's almost like there would always have to be ground crew. Where as a moth you just pick it up and carry it into the water.
To me these boats are only suitable for lake/bay sailing because no way you are going to launch/land in the surf. And in a good swell these things are going to launch off every other wave.
Because of this I tend to think of them as a small cat not a beach cat.

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I don't see how getting it into the water is different from any other cat. You need to do something with the boat while your dealing with the cat-trax no matter what.


I'm boatless.
Re: Scheurer G7 -- another foiling design, that can be done solo [Re: orphan] #271292
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Originally Posted by orphan
Not sure if you want to sail any foiling craft in less than 4/5 ft of water.


or weeds, or turtles, or jellyfish, or...


Jay

Re: Scheurer G7 -- another foiling design, that can be done solo [Re: waterbug_wpb] #271293
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Originally Posted by waterbug_wpb
Originally Posted by orphan
Not sure if you want to sail any foiling craft in less than 4/5 ft of water.


or weeds, or turtles, or jellyfish, or...


Manatee's.


Have Fun
Re: Scheurer G7 -- another foiling design, that can be done solo [Re: Jake] #271294
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Originally Posted by Jake

... I suppose that maybe the cat is better suited for the upper speed end of things (once they get better stability through design)
...


Had to stand up, and view that video from 4-ft away, in-order
to not get sick.
Once i watched how stable this Lil cat was,(at speed); i was
SOLD !!

SO -- i looked up the specification for the A-class cat on
Wikipedia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_A-class_catamaran

Currently the main A-Class class rules are:[3]

Min overall boat weight : 75 kg
Max overall boat length : 5.49 m (= still the old IYRU rule)
Max overall boat width : 2.30 m (= still the old IYRU rule)
Max sail area incl. mast : 13.94 m2 (= still the old IYRU rule)

I got to say : "I'm impressed" !
How can a Guy make a 19-ft cat , (fully rigged) for only
165 Lb ? I could basically, pick up the entire boat by
myself,if i could find a balance point !!

I think that is where the High-Cost comes from, That machine
would need to be made of carbon or Spectra, to be competitive.

If 75kg is there target weight ; wonder what the actual weight
of the competitive ones are ?

Bille

Re: Scheurer G7 -- another foiling design, that can be done solo [Re: Bille] #271295
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Originally Posted by Bille

If 75kg is there target weight ; wonder what the actual weight
of the competitive ones are ?


Pretty sure it is going to be 75kg or very close to it.


Tom
Re: Scheurer G7 -- another foiling design, that can be done solo [Re: Bille] #271296
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Difference in launching solo is I can pull the tracks and leave it on the hard(1 to 2 inches of water) then pull/float it on the waves to deeper water.

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Re: Scheurer G7 -- another foiling design, that can be done solo [Re: Bille] #271297
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Originally Posted by Bille
Originally Posted by Jake

... I suppose that maybe the cat is better suited for the upper speed end of things (once they get better stability through design)
...


Had to stand up, and view that video from 4-ft away, in-order
to not get sick.
Once i watched how stable this Lil cat was,(at speed); i was
SOLD !!

SO -- i looked up the specification for the A-class cat on
Wikipedia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_A-class_catamaran

Currently the main A-Class class rules are:[3]

Min overall boat weight : 75 kg
Max overall boat length : 5.49 m (= still the old IYRU rule)
Max overall boat width : 2.30 m (= still the old IYRU rule)
Max sail area incl. mast : 13.94 m2 (= still the old IYRU rule)

I got to say : "I'm impressed" !
How can a Guy make a 19-ft cat , (fully rigged) for only
165 Lb ? I could basically, pick up the entire boat by
myself,if i could find a balance point !!

I think that is where the High-Cost comes from, That machine
would need to be made of carbon or Spectra, to be competitive.

If 75kg is there target weight ; wonder what the actual weight
of the competitive ones are ?

Bille


My 13 year old Kevlar constructed, aluminum beamed Boyer MKIV was only 6 pounds over minimum weight. It's actually not that hard to build to minimum for that class and the boats are durable (i.e I was sailing a 13 year old boat).


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Most of the new boats are 2kg under to allow for weight gain over time.

And like Jake said, they are much more durable than you think. As long as you don't run them into anything, they hold up well.

Re: Scheurer G7 -- another foiling design, that can be done solo [Re: Bille] #271323
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After i read that, i took a camera and pointed it
towards the front X-Beam on my Hobie 21se through
the access hole ...

OMG !!! --- there wasn't even a FULL bulkhead in that spot
where the Beam & Hull tie together ; i was blown away, because
i know my 21 is strong. I've seen pictures of the Hobie 20
split in 1/2 near that spot, but not the 21.

SO now, i'm thinking : we need Someone to develop a foiling
14 or 15ft cat, for the single handed sailor ; something
car-top-able, in the 40 to 50Kg range, ...
and under $15-K. HA !!!

Bille

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There are foiling windsurfers now, and foiling kite boards, that would be easier and cheaper than building a new 15 foot foiler.


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There are foiling windsurfers now, and foiling kite boards, that would be easier and cheaper than building a new 15 foot foiler.


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