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#273666 07/03/14 06:47 AM 07/03/14 06:47 AM |
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Posts: 12,310 South Carolina | You can have an overlapping jib on a roller furler. Normally the battens will be rotated on the sail so they are parallel to the luff (they get a bit longer too - usually). This way they are parallel to the furling action and will roll up with the sail.
With regards to it catching on the spinnaker halyard - it takes a little effort to either furl after the spinnaker is up (and has some air in it) or make sure the spinnaker halyard is somewhat taught before you start to furl the jib. Furling jib with a spinnaker is a pretty common setup...it just takes some additional process to make sure everything works reliably.
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#273668 07/03/14 07:41 AM 07/03/14 07:41 AM |
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Posts: 6,049 Sebring, Florida. | OR...leave the jib out too, with the spinnaker up. Unless it's really blowing, more is better.
If the jib being out is interfering with the airflow to the spin (or vice-versa) maybe your spin pole needs to be longer?
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#273672 07/03/14 08:08 AM 07/03/14 08:08 AM |
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Posts: 431 Netherlands | Hmm, ok. I tried tensioning the halyard but the battens will catch anyway. Looks like the first thing to try will be to angle the battens so they 'just roll with it' so to speak.
Of course, furling it with the spin up should be easy. I didn't have the guts to try that yesterday but I think it should work. The return part of the halyard seems to be ok, but I could run it inside the spreaders to keep it out of harm's way. I'll try that out as soon as I get the chance.
A self tacker sounds expensive so I'm not too keen on that. OTOH, maybe re-cutting the jib and sheeting from the front beam is do-able. I'd have to get over all that surface area I'll lose though...
The spin pole is as designed for this spinnaker and forward sheeting, lengthening it would stress the lower leach (and its a PITA). The spin didn't seem to interfere much with the sails except having to trim them in 20-30 degrees or so with the increase in apparent wind. I'm quite satisfied with the set up except for the furler hassles.
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Posts: 1,121 Eastern NC, USA | Do you need the jib battens? I mean, REALLY need them?
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Posts: 12,310 South Carolina | Do you need the jib battens? I mean, REALLY need them? yes...it will probably start "motorboating" without them
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Posts: 1,253 Columbia South Carolina, USA | I sailed a 5.2 along time,looking back I know for a fact that you do not need that much jib. Also, run the jib sheets to the front beam and lose those annoying cables thru the tramp and the antiquated barber hauler system if you have it. I would seriously look for a a small F18 jib and try it for size, the standard F18 jib may work as well. This will make your sailing much more pleasureable!
The men were amazed, and said, "What kind of a man is this, that even the winds and the sea obey Him?" Matthew 8:27
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#273681 07/03/14 02:25 PM 07/03/14 02:25 PM |
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Posts: 6,049 Sebring, Florida. | And if you are going to be doing a lot of single handed sailing, the self tacker is worth it's weight in gold!
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#273683 07/03/14 04:40 PM 07/03/14 04:40 PM |
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Posts: 490 | NACRA 5.2 talk is tempting to share in... having sailed #98 with such owners as Chris Christensen, Dirk & Eric Lundquist, Jim Leonard, Mike Mead, and my good buddy, Larry Shannon.
We had a dealership in Pensacola that made a very early buy from NACRA and the Roland brothers. During our watch we modified the trampoline so the jib leads ran under the trampoline to the front beam, proved the rake spreader was faster, and finally pioneered the double trap system which was approved by the Class shortly after the NAMSA NAs in Treasure Island (circa 1976 0r 7).
The boat was under - powered to begin with and performance in heavy air stamped that as truth. One can go to a beam mounted jib or self tacking system, but the boat would even lose more point and lose reaching power. Ya can not make the short rig faster with a smaller jib on a 5.2. Depending on the hull number, the hulls are overweight and overweight X, and XL in kilos or pounds. That is original cardboard hull stringers, foam layup by NACRA, or foam laminate by Frank Butler/Catalina Yachts.
Singlehanding the boat sans jib was a hoot, but the boat was really difficult to tack in a sea state. I would want a small jib, a bridal foil (5.5 or 5.8 style) to secure the pole under for stiffness and prevent the bows to be pinched. Break down and go for a self tacking system off an F 16, have your jib recut, deep six the furler, and fly boldly, fly. | | | Re: Spinnaker on Nacra 5.2; halyard fouls when (un)furling jib
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Posts: 1,121 Eastern NC, USA | Good ol' US98. Was that actual hull #98? I always assumed you carried that number because US Highway 98 on the gulf coast.
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Posts: 1,253 Columbia South Carolina, USA | you may be able to find a trashed newer boat to recover a self tacker from, ask around. My 5.2 was a 1976, forgot the sail number, but it now sails from my club newly refurbished(again) with a Sq top. Boat is heavy but well built. I redid the bottoms twice and they have been again now, but other than that its a tank. original mast, daggers, and rudders, I traded for the boat in 1990 after sailing a G-Cat 5.0. traded my laser 2 for it straight up, been a catsailor ever since.
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#273926 07/15/14 06:03 PM 07/15/14 06:03 PM | MN3
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Posts: 12,310 South Carolina | I also re-routed the continuous halyard tensioner to keep the halyard tight when the spin is doused continuous halyard tensioner ? huh? what is this device? It can be rigged several different ways. Our is rigged on a double ended bunji to our tack line. The ends of the bunji turn around blocks and/or rings near the front beam and come through grommets at the back of the trampoline where they terminate in large plastic rings. The halyard goes through both of these rings in addition to it's normal routing. This way, when the spinnaker is snuffed and the tack line is extended through the pole into the snuffer bag, the bunji is pulled tight and the halyard is neatly pulled and spread out toward the rear beam. Once the tack line is pulled and the tack of the spinnaker makes it to the end of the pole, the new slack in the tack line loosens the bunji and allows the halyard more room to do it's thing.
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#273942 07/16/14 04:33 AM 07/16/14 04:33 AM |
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Posts: 2 | Also, run the Aion Kinah jib sheets to the front beam and lose those annoying cables thru the tramp and the antiquated barber hauler system if you have it. | | | Re: Spinnaker on Nacra 5.2; halyard fouls when (un)furling jib
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Posts: 12,310 South Carolina | Also, run the Aion Kinah jib sheets to the front beam and lose those annoying cables thru the tramp and the antiquated barber hauler system if you have it. DON'T CLICK...SPAMMER. lord only knows what's at the other end of that link.
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