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Round The Island #273788
07/09/14 04:07 AM
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Does anyone have solid info. on this regatta ? This site says Sept. 13 but FWYC says Sept. 27-28.


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Surely somebody know something !!!!?????


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Do you think there is any interest in doing it as a GDI regatta? No trophies, no t-shirts and no food, but the entry fee would be reasonable... 0 dollars. The park beach side is still there isn't it?


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I would really like it to go back to the park. it was fun
and a much better venue. Maybe a donation regatta and a pot luck barbecue after race.


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I talked to Ashley at FWYC and she will be posting NOR shortly. Regatta is Sept. 13-14


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I have tried over and over to get an NOR from FWYC
but it seems that they just don't care about saving this regatta . Don't know if I will attend even if they do hold it. It's a shame to see a regatta that started 34 years ago
to be left in the wind . I'm not sure but I believe this is
WAS , the longest nonstop multihull regatta in the states @ over 100 miles in a day . It separated the true grit sailors from the weekenders. I sailed the very first RTI at the age of 12 on a Prindle 15 it was my first solo race.


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I wouldn't pronounce it dead forever, this race has often taken a "break" for a year or two only to return a few years later. Is that optimal? Not for the sailors, but the OAs are certainly working within some constraints (sponsorship money, past attendance, logistics, liability, dispensation for sailing at night without lights in a shipping channel, deciding what events are best for FWYC, etc) that we may not be privy to.


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The race is only dead if we stop doing it. Distance races that start and stop the same location can be near maintenance free. A rabbit start or lemans start and snapping an image of the "official" race watch when you finish and texting it to the person willing to score the event eliminates the need for someone to sit there all night waiting for boats to finish. Heck the score keeper could be anywhere in the nation. Hmmmm.... maybe outsourcing isn't all bad :-) It's not perfect but it is a handicap race so lack of precision isn't really a significant impact anyway :-)

Zero paper zero cost.

If you race for hotdogs and trinkets then this format probably won't work.

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Interesting point Dave!

There are also phone apps that can text your position with a time stamp too.

Another option for timing the finishes without having to stay up all night is to setup a camera in view of the "official clock" and the finish line with a light to illuminate sail numbers. Sailors also record their finish times in a log book that can be used to cross reference the camera data (or resolve issues like multiple boats finishing simultaneously with sail numbers obscured).

My contour camera can go easily for 12 hours with a power supply...then you scroll through the video matching the log book entries with the video clock to get the official finishes.


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Bingo, so many options, maybe I should be spending more time in my moms basement. Gawd, I'm freaking hilarious!

Bottom line... it's only over when we say it's over!


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YUP! racers make it a race.


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Originally Posted by Jake
YUP! racers make it a race.


I liked it better the way you had it.

Organizers are a fantastic upgrade and we love them but they don't have to be a deal breaker.


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Doug,

I thought you were starting a new race in the RTI format starting from the park beach?

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Next year there will be a RTI format regatta no matter what it takes. I want it run by sailors for sailors NO POLITICIANS with other agendas.


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Mike Kelly and I have wanted that to happen for two years now...call it unlucky and twisty fate for now. They may still pull off a wonderment, but back in the day...how many of you remember seeing the fireworks when Carlton finished the first year?

The CMA worked for regattas and earned their keep. That was a time when regattas were put on by sailors for sailors, as the saying goes. They will return soon, I hope :-)

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I don't remember fireworks but I do remember sitting at the end of the Deckhands dock with a flashlight watching the boats finish all the way into late Sunday night.
Sailors hung around and drank and told stories , it was like a big family. If FWYC is having troubles with this race why don't they just reach out to the sailors and ask for some help with it . I remember when Carlton , Mike Kelly and John Reinhold sat around brewing this regatta up . I would just like to see some effort put into it.

After only five boats showed up last year I would have thought that someone there would see that something has to change.


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Originally Posted by Blade1
I don't remember fireworks but I do remember sitting at the end of the Deckhands dock with a flashlight watching the boats finish all the way into late Sunday night.
Sailors hung around and drank and told stories , it was like a big family. If FWYC is having troubles with this race why don't they just reach out to the sailors and ask for some help with it . I remember when Carlton , Mike Kelly and John Reinhold sat around brewing this regatta up . I would just like to see some effort put into it.

After only five boats showed up last year I would have thought that someone there would see that something has to change.


This is such a tricky thing. If someone, otherwise unassociated with the event, at the club is interesting in organizing the event, it is usually for reasons related to other things that "for the love of it". Sometimes this works out great. Sometimes not. When it doesn't, you get stuck because there is still a sense of ownership of the event that can leave things stuck without activity. The best way I've seen this pan out is if the interested sailors make personal contact and offer to help. I wouldn't ever expect, or wait for, the clubby to do request it. You would probably be surprised at how fast you can get some clarity and how simple the hurdles are. I bet you that things could get turned around in very short order if you made contact with them yourself.


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Let not forget that the weather forecast was terrible last year. It promised thunderstorms and a lack of wind. I think that discouraged anyone from traveling far. It made us pull the plug. The year before I want to say there was 15ish boats.

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so, someone just needs to pick a date for the "get together" (avoids insurance hassle)?


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I texted the Fleet Capt. 4 times and no response . I told her I was trying to get people involved but it was like spitting in wind when you have zero info. to give. I was told there would be an NOR over a month ago and still nothing. So it isn't a lack of trying or getting involved .
It's lack of accountability within.


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