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Re: knives and helmets ? [Re: hobie1616] #274808
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mea culpa for my tightwad post..hope I can still post here,

My teen age daughter & I went out in 18 - 20 with a chase boat following us..stuffed the leeward bow hard on a port tack..stood straight up & popped back up but we were all off balance..then we got blown over..I landed in the sail but she hit the mast with the side of her head..got her on the chase boat and shes all right we're getting helmets for the windy rides..dont know if I'll get her back out in anything over 10 mph..ps I had trouble getting back on after righting..little tired..anyone use handgrabs or rope ladder tied to front beam to assist?

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Re: knives and helmets ? [Re: Pirate] #274810
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Forward sailing has impact vests and helmets.
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Both highly recommended and used on the M32, and extreme 40 I was on.

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Re: knives and helmets ? [Re: carl2] #274811
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Originally Posted by carl2
mea culpa for my tightwad post..hope I can still post here


don't worry, most people are tightwads here one time or another

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anyone use handgrabs or rope ladder tied to front beam to assist?

yes big issue. discussed in detail here, try searching

but from my exp, rope ladders don't work as well as you would think (or need lots of practice) becuase they simply push under the beam and are not much help, plus need special storage

righting line with knots are a little help but not all that helpful

I have found location location location is key (where on the boat you try to get back on from)

front beam - almost impossible on my boat, saps all my remaining strenght

rear beam - impossible

solution for me on my boat ... aft of the shrouds, I "jump" up a little and grab my trap handle. use this to anchor and lift a foot/feet up near the rear beam (least freeboard area) and then lift my waist / torso up using my feet and hands (still on trap handle)

in a pinch, if you can get to it your jib sheet can assist too

Re: knives and helmets ? [Re: ] #274813
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Originally Posted by MN3
solution for me on my boat ... aft of the shrouds, I "jump" up a little and grab my trap handle. use this to anchor and lift a foot/feet up near the rear beam (least freeboard area) and then lift my waist / torso up using my feet and hands (still on trap handle)



This is what I do too and I'm 52 and sail an F18 and I can get on the boat easily and in short order. The key thing to remember is to move your a$$. If you have a self tacking jib and don't have a quick release system the jib will pull the boat off the wind relatively quickly and the boat will take off like a rocket.


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Re: knives and helmets ? [Re: Pirate] #274816
08/18/14 11:32 AM
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Rich, Source for the helmet and vest? Thanks!

Dave

Re: knives and helmets ? [Re: David Ingram] #274817
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Dave.... you make a key point

If you have a self tacking jib and don't have a quick release system the jib will pull the boat off the wind relatively quickly and the boat will take off like a rocket.


How do you get there? swim under hull.... go forward and around the bow? go aft under the tramp... around the rudders and forward to the shroud... trap handle?

Do you have a quick release on your jib's clew? (and let it flog when you right the boat....) then reattach the sheets and off you go...

What does your quick release look like?

Final point.... Who needs to move their butt... you or your quicker and more nimble crew who can ride the boat up... climb over the beam and get to the rudders to park the boat ASAP?

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Re: knives and helmets ? [Re: Pirate] #274819
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I've been wearing a helmet this season due to a concussion I got skiing in March. It was a minor concussion that lingered for 2.5 months- very annoying.

On the F18 I've been wearing a kiteboarding helmet Tripp let me borrow. On the Moth I've worn a Bern helmet that MIT provides at the sailing pavilion. I haven't really noticed having either of them on.

Unfortunately I tore a ligament in my hand during the statue race, so the helmet hasn't been needed for a while!


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Re: knives and helmets ? [Re: Mark Schneider] #274820
08/18/14 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Mark Schneider
Dave.... you make a key point

If you have a self tacking jib and don't have a quick release system the jib will pull the boat off the wind relatively quickly and the boat will take off like a rocket.


How do you get there? swim under hull.... go forward and around the bow? go aft under the tramp... around the rudders and forward to the shroud... trap handle?

Do you have a quick release on your jib's clew? (and let it flog when you right the boat....) then reattach the sheets and off you go...

What does your quick release look like?

Final point.... Who needs to move their butt... you or your quicker and more nimble crew who can ride the boat up... climb over the beam and get to the rudders to park the boat ASAP?


I don't have a jib quick release on my boat and there isn't one on my skippers boat. I've seen quick release systems that use a snap shackle or simple S hook at the clew.

When I'm sailing on my skippers boat I can pretty much right the boat on my own and she just rolls up on deck as the boat comes up. I always have a plan B just in case something doesn't go as planned, which is for me to high tail it to the stern holding onto the righting line until I've got a firm grip on the foot strap. From there I pull myself forward until I can reach the skippers trap and I use it to help pull myself on the boat. Plan B is always in motion because the sooner I can get on the boat the sooner we are back to racing and I hate when she says... waiting on you grandpa. The quicker you're on the boat the less likely it's going to get away from you. It is something we practiced and I think it was time well spent.


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Re: knives and helmets ? [Re: davefarmer] #274823
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Originally Posted by davefarmer
Rich, Source for the helmet and vest? Thanks!

Dave


http://www.forward-sailing.com/technical-sailing-clothing?zenid=b607c30cd6a3b5a9712020c4d8480f77
They have a lot of sailing gear and other things like snuffer covers ect.


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Re: knives and helmets ? [Re: F-18 5150] #274826
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I know a feller' that is starting to bring these into the US. My crew is having a little brain surgery on Friday so we're tossing around the idea of these for F18 nationals....although, they match very poorly with my green color scheme. wink

http://www.vaikobi.com/products/vaikobi-performance-water-helmet-ce-1385-approved


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Re: knives and helmets ? [Re: Pirate] #274827
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dont you know someone who does vinyl wraps?


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Re: knives and helmets ? [Re: dave mosley] #274828
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Originally Posted by dave mosley
dont you know someone who does vinyl wraps?


Yeah, but that is a different guy.


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Re: knives and helmets ? [Re: Jake] #274830
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Perhaps using the blow-torch technique to get the wrap to fit on the helmet while being worn is not considered a "best practice"?


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Re: knives and helmets ? [Re: Pirate] #274836
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Ding hit the nail right on the head: Practice!!!

Capsizing and swiiming near your boat are probably the last things anyone wants to do with their sailing time, but there is probably nothing more valuable.

Mike

Re: knives and helmets ? [Re: Pirate] #274837
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How will a helmet help you if the other sailors start throwing knives at each other? Maybe a shield like captain America would be better.

A funny thing a hockey player said; "I wear a cup and not a helmet because I can always get someone to do my thinking for me."

Re: knives and helmets ? [Re: brucat] #274838
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Originally Posted by brucat
Ding hit the nail right on the head: Practice!!!

Capsizing and swiiming near your boat are probably the last things anyone wants to do with their sailing time, but there is probably nothing more valuable.

Mike


Luckily I'm the mf-ing master of capsizing.


I'm boatless.
Re: knives and helmets ? [Re: Jake] #274845
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Originally Posted by Jake
I know a feller' that is starting to bring these into the US. My crew is having a little brain surgery on Friday so we're tossing around the idea of these for F18 nationals....although, they match very poorly with my green color scheme. wink

http://www.vaikobi.com/products/vaikobi-performance-water-helmet-ce-1385-approved


What's the difference between these and any of the Whitewater kayak helmets available?

Re: knives and helmets ? [Re: Karl_Brogger] #274847
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Originally Posted by Karl_Brogger
Originally Posted by brucat
Ding hit the nail right on the head: Practice!!!

Capsizing and swiiming near your boat are probably the last things anyone wants to do with their sailing time, but there is probably nothing more valuable.

Mike


Luckily I'm the mf-ing master of capsizing.


Only because I've taken a partial hiatus from racing. I've capsized a Wave...

Mike

Re: knives and helmets ? [Re: brucat] #274848
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Originally Posted by brucat
Originally Posted by Karl_Brogger
Originally Posted by brucat
Ding hit the nail right on the head: Practice!!!

Capsizing and swiiming near your boat are probably the last things anyone wants to do with their sailing time, but there is probably nothing more valuable.

Mike


Luckily I'm the mf-ing master of capsizing.


Only because I've taken a partial hiatus from racing. I've capsized a Wave...

Mike



That's talent you can't teach right there.


I'm boatless.
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