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Nacra 20 FCS vs M32 vs Foiling Kite vs Moth - Featuring JC #277787
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This will be cool.

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Re: Nacra 20 FCS vs M32 vs Foiling Kite vs Moth - Featuring JC [Re: ThunderMuffin] #277789
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f*&#ing tease.


I'm boatless.
Re: Nacra 20 FCS vs M32 vs Foiling Kite vs Moth - Featuring JC [Re: Karl_Brogger] #277791
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Originally Posted by Karl_Brogger
f*&#ing tease.


No kidding...that was a pretty big let down!


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Re: Nacra 20 FCS vs M32 vs Foiling Kite vs Moth - Featuring JC [Re: ThunderMuffin] #277792
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Well, wait until next week.

Re: Nacra 20 FCS vs M32 vs Foiling Kite vs Moth - Featuring JC [Re: ThunderMuffin] #277793
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That is not cool man!


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Re: Nacra 20 FCS vs M32 vs Foiling Kite vs Moth - Featuring JC [Re: Dazz] #277794
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It could have at least started out and let us know it was a preview! I felt like I've been tricked and I wanted my time back at the end of it.

{sad face}


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Re: Nacra 20 FCS vs M32 vs Foiling Kite vs Moth - Featuring JC [Re: Jake] #277795
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Jake.... face it... we are getting old...

This is the new way to communicate.... build the hype.... tease the story. Hey... Could have been worse... a couple of vines... At the very least... they could have had some really hot babes walk thru.... if what you are selling is eye candy.... go with the universal and timeless bikini shots.

I would have given them a bit of a pass for wasting my time...


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Re: Nacra 20 FCS vs M32 vs Foiling Kite vs Moth - Featuring JC [Re: Mark Schneider] #277796
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Originally Posted by Mark Schneider
Jake.... face it... we are getting old...

This is the new way to communicate.... build the hype.... tease the story. Hey... Could have been worse... a couple of vines... At the very least... they could have had some really hot babes walk thru.... if what you are selling is eye candy.... go with the universal and timeless bikini shots.

I would have given them a bit of a pass for wasting my time...


lol

(see, I'm catching on)


Jake Kohl
Re: Nacra 20 FCS vs M32 vs Foiling Kite vs Moth - Featuring JC [Re: ThunderMuffin] #277802
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It's amazing that in SA everyone is putting the Nacra last. Don't understand.

Re: Nacra 20 FCS vs M32 vs Foiling Kite vs Moth - Featuring JC [Re: ThunderMuffin] #277805
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I guess we don't know if it's around a course or outright speed in any direction.

My guess, Kite, Moth, Nacra, M32


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Re: Nacra 20 FCS vs M32 vs Foiling Kite vs Moth - Featuring JC [Re: ThunderMuffin] #277807
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Originally Posted by ThunderMuffin
It's amazing that in SA everyone is putting the Nacra last. Don't understand.


With catman, I think the result is going to heavily depend on the angle of sail.


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Re: Nacra 20 FCS vs M32 vs Foiling Kite vs Moth - Featuring JC [Re: ThunderMuffin] #277808
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At 1:29 ; it appears the Kite-board with the foil
is out-front . The kite is about $2.5K and the foil
with board is close to the same ; so for $5 grand, you
can beat a Much more expensive machine !!
Part of that is because the kite is probably on 27 to
30 meter lines ; so it can catch cleaner air, since
the center of effort, is coming from 10 to 15-M above the water.
Also , the kite is helping a Lot to lift the weight
of the rider out of the water, so the foil can fly at a
lower AOA than the sailboats.

I got a sponsor, to learn to kite-board with a foil this
summer ; my Hobie 21 will be use a LOT this summer for
camping trips with all my kiteing equipment at Lake Mohave.
Good or Bad, I'll let Ya know , how my foiling experience goes ...

Bille

Re: Nacra 20 FCS vs M32 vs Foiling Kite vs Moth - Featuring JC [Re: Bille] #277810
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does the kite or the moth carry a cooler of beer or bikini babes/russian brides?


Jay

Re: Nacra 20 FCS vs M32 vs Foiling Kite vs Moth - Featuring JC [Re: waterbug_wpb] #277811
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Personally the whole thing is silly. I would take the M-32. Take the cooler and several bikini clad russian wife want a be's.


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Re: Nacra 20 FCS vs M32 vs Foiling Kite vs Moth - Featuring JC [Re: ThunderMuffin] #277814
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Originally Posted by ThunderMuffin
Well, wait until next week.



It's up to you then Taddermuffin to post that rickytick once it's out.


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Re: Nacra 20 FCS vs M32 vs Foiling Kite vs Moth - Featuring JC [Re: ThunderMuffin] #277819
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You know the M32's foil too, right?

No way the Nacra will be faster than that, just like the AC45's weren't faster than the AC72's.

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Re: Nacra 20 FCS vs M32 vs Foiling Kite vs Moth - Featuring JC [Re: Timbo] #277821
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Originally Posted by Timbo
You know the M32's foil too, right?

No way the Nacra will be faster than that, just like the AC45's weren't faster than the AC72's.


AC45s didn't foil. They're already reporting that they have them going as fast as the 72s now that they've modified them for foiling...but I digress.


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Re: Nacra 20 FCS vs M32 vs Foiling Kite vs Moth - Featuring JC [Re: ThunderMuffin] #277824
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So you think the N20 will be faster than the M32?


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Re: Nacra 20 FCS vs M32 vs Foiling Kite vs Moth - Featuring JC [Re: Timbo] #277825
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M32 does not foil. It has curved boards, but it is not fully foiling.

Fastest around the course, likely by a long way, will be the foiling kiteboard. Just so much more efficient than any of the others.

Second IMHO is an interesting question between the Moth and the Nacra. Moth is certainly more refined and likely faster upwind, but lacks the extra downwind sail area of the Nacra.

The Marstrom is quick, but I really don't see it matching the others unless it is light enough where the moth and Nacra aren't foiling. In that case, the moth would be last by a lot.


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Re: Nacra 20 FCS vs M32 vs Foiling Kite vs Moth - Featuring JC [Re: ThunderMuffin] #277826
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Details form Pat Rynne:

Here are some more details about the races. We only had enough time to run 2 Windward Leewards. Here is the scoop

- Weather mark was about 1.5 miles upwind
- Breeze was about 15 knots, everybody was powered
- Kiter was using a 12 square meter kite
- Bay chop was moderate (1-2 feet)
- Plastic bags and sargasso weed WERE present throughout the course

Athletes
Kite - Zack Marks (head sailing coach at Eckerd College)
Moth - Jonny Goldsberry
Nacra - John Casey and Colin Page
M32 - Anthony Kotoun, Tommy Loughborough, Tripp Burd, Cy Thompson, Jeremy Wilmot


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