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Posts: 3,969 | Wow, awesome footage! How did Mike break the stick? Did he sheet out the main when the bows dug in? That start line sequence was awful for just about the whole fleet! Any start and finish is good if you're upright, I guess... Mike | | | Re: F18 Americas
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#280862 10/20/15 04:13 PM 10/20/15 04:13 PM |
Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 3,906 Clermont, FL, USA David Ingram
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Posts: 3,906 Clermont, FL, USA | Wow, awesome footage! How did Mike break the stick? Did he sheet out the main when the bows dug in? That start line sequence was awful for just about the whole fleet! Any start and finish is good if you're upright, I guess... Mike Agreed! Terrible start for the majority of the of the fleet but it was really on and you couldn't hear anything. Mark did warn us that he starts on time (which I REALLY like!). If you weren't paying attention or didn't believe the start would start on time you got left behind. The starts today weren't as clean as I've seen them in the past (fleet wise) but it was a whole lot tighter.
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#280870 10/21/15 04:33 PM 10/21/15 04:33 PM |
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Posts: 5,590 Naples, FL | so when it's honking (like the +/- 27 knots), is it still faster/safer to run the spin downwind?
Jay
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Posts: 54 | so when it's honking (like the +/- 27 knots), is it still faster/safer to run the spin downwind? Since it wasn't steady 27 I'd say for sure run the kite. I would have. To be honest. There was plenty of carnage but the water looked pretty flat for the amount of wind so should have been relatively manageable. Granted I wasn't there so this is my wild guess. However. I run the kite downwind on the viper every time it's that windy so wouldn't hesitate on a bigger boat | | | Re: F18 Americas
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#280873 10/21/15 09:36 PM 10/21/15 09:36 PM |
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Posts: 3,906 Clermont, FL, USA | so when it's honking (like the +/- 27 knots), is it still faster/safer to run the spin downwind? It is faster to run the kite in breeze. If you want to win it is what you have to do. If your plan is to win the war attrition you don't run the kite and that's my opinion only. I have had very skilled sailors tell I'm flat wrong about not running the kite in breeze. If you want to be safe you stay on the beach.
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#280874 10/22/15 08:26 AM 10/22/15 08:26 AM |
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Posts: 3,969 | I'm not a spin boat sailor, so I won't claim first-hand knowledge, but that makes sense based on conversations and observations.
Running the spin makes you faster and somewhat minimizes the effect of the breeze, as the apparent wind moves forward.
Dealing with frequent 10 knot gusts when you're already depowered due to high average wind is what really wipes you out. True on any boat, even more so with a ton on sail area up.
Mike
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#280877 10/22/15 12:42 PM 10/22/15 12:42 PM |
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Posts: 5,590 Naples, FL | I agree totally, Mike, but was wondering what you do if you're already super-deep angle because of the wind strength... and have all that cloth up (spin, jib, and main)
If any puff hits, where do you go? I suspect on the 18s with all your weight on the back of the bus, you just keep squirting out ahead.
For a non- or semi-planing hull, do you run a greater risk of broach?
Jay
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#280879 10/22/15 02:19 PM 10/22/15 02:19 PM |
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Posts: 554 Boston, Ma | We need more stories!!!
Mike
Easy solution. Buy my boat. Go to the event. Tell the stories.
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#280881 10/22/15 02:51 PM 10/22/15 02:51 PM |
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Posts: 3,906 Clermont, FL, USA | We need more stories!!!
Mike
Easy solution. Buy my boat. Go to the event. Tell the stories. Spot ****ing on Jeff! You are missed my friend please don't leave the fleet.
David Ingram F18 USA 242 http://www.solarwind.solar"Do or do not. There is no try." - Yoda "Excuses are the tools of the weak and incompetent" - Two sista's I overheard in the hall "You don't have to be a brain surgeon to be a complete idiot, but it helps"
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#280882 10/22/15 02:56 PM 10/22/15 02:56 PM |
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Posts: 554 Boston, Ma | Not leaving the fleet, but Brooks moved to SF and I can't do the boat alone. Now that grad school is done I'm hoping to make it down for Steeplechase or Tradewinds... and Florida 300 is tempting!
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#280884 10/22/15 07:12 PM 10/22/15 07:12 PM |
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Posts: 3,969 | We need more stories!!!
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Easy solution. Buy my boat. Go to the event. Tell the stories. Spot ****ing on Jeff! Um, not quite... We need the stories from folks who are there. I have a long history of providing this for events I attend, but no one can go to everything. We all want more people to sail with us, there's nothing like good stories to keep the interest up. It's advertising that you simply can't buy. I feel like we (across classes) have taken a step backwards over the past few years. Mike | | | Re: F18 Americas
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#280886 10/23/15 12:06 PM 10/23/15 12:06 PM |
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Posts: 5,590 Naples, FL | I feel like we (across classes) have taken a step backwards over the past few years.
Mike
In what way? Not posting stories about events? We've hashed out all the reasons classes and the sport itself appear to be dwindling...
Jay
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#280887 10/23/15 12:27 PM 10/23/15 12:27 PM |
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Posts: 744 | I've noted over quite a few videos (N17 and the Day3 F18 vid) of Sarah's starts and she is routinely behind. I hope her coaches have noticed. Not knocking the kids, they are sailing quite awesome, just making an observation where they need improvement as they head to the games. Bob
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