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Re: The media IS the Democraptic party! [Re: hobie1616] #283856
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Is this your immediate future Todd?


I feel betrayed by my Trump-voting extended family. It goes beyond just the fact that Trump is the worst candidate I can imagine. Its that I have a son with severe autism. Everything in life is a challenge for him. He is near puberty now, and this flood of confusing emotions just makes everything that much more overwhelming to him. He is regressing in school. He has developed such deep obsessive-compulsive behaviors that they affect every aspect of his day. He can barely communicate verbally, and its hard to understand what hes trying to say even when he does talk as rarely do the string of words make much sense. He cant communicate how he hurts physically or emotionally.

Anything new scares him to death. He has no sense of his own safety or the dangers around him. He is getting bigger and taller. When he panics, its almost impossible to keep hold of him so he doesnt hurt himself or others. He may run into traffic. He doesnt mean to harm anyone. Deep down he is kind and even silly. The world is just often a terrifying place for him, and I fear this is only going to get harder for him.

We get basically no assistance from local or state disability services. Weve been on the Medicaid Waiver wait list for years with no end in sight. Frankly, we are getting rather desperate. We are just exhausted. We feel like we are losing. We feel like we are failing him.

Compounding this is that we have a younger son. He alternates between fiercely loving and protecting his older brother to being completely overwhelmed by a life that to him feels really unfair. He often has to play second fiddle to his brother because he has so many needs. It isnt fair. We do whatever we can to make him feel special in his own right and spend focused time with him. But sometimes things blow up, and we have to deal with it. Hes had to grow up so fast. Hes had to see things that are pretty scary. I dont know how someone his age processes his older brother screaming and stomping and banging his head, but it has to be terrifying. We talk about things regularly, but still. Its so hard.

We get no respite or help. We grab what advice and help we can from professionals, but we can only afford so much of that. We have begged and pleaded. We were told we can only get government assistance for our son right now if we threaten to hurt him.

Trump has threatened to take away all of his education rights.

Trump has threatened to take away what pre-existing condition coverage we currently rely on.

Trumps plans would destroy any chance of him ever getting a Medicaid Waiver for help now and funding that might let him have independence later.

Trump would leave us and him on our own.

Trumps plans would destroy his future.

And worst of all, Trump has made it OK to bully and mock my son. Those who support him are saying its OK, too. They have created a culture in which kids see its OK to bully. And if youd ever meet my son, he has so many of the outward, stereotypical behaviors of an autistic child. You might as well paint a big bullseye on his back that says bully me. He would have no way to defend himself. He wouldnt even understand what is going on. I am terrified every day for him.

The biggest stab in the back are all the Trump supporters in my family who say they love our son. They know how desperate things are for him and for us. They know what Trump has done. They know what his policies will mean to my son and to our family. They know it endangers his present and his future. And yet, they voted for him anyway.

I feel utterly betrayed.

I never expected them to vote for Hillary. That would have been a bridge too far. But they could have left it blank or written in one of the uncles or something. Anything but this.

For his whole life, they have been about the only lifeline we have. In emergencies, they have helped us many, many times. Honestly, they are the only semblance of a support system we have if things go to pieces.

Our younger son adores them. He knows we like Clinton, so like many kids he likes who his parents like. Ive talked with him a lot about how government works and how sacred voting is and how so many have sacrificed so that we might have that freedom to vote. Weve talked about the Constitution and Amendments, suffrage and slavery, and so much of what I want my child to grow up knowing about. I want him to believe in our democracy. I want him to believe it works.

I havent told him a thing about why Trump is a cruel, heartless **** because hes a brilliant kid for his age. He will know the people he loves voted for Trump, the man who mocked his brother and all who have certain challenges, and it will break his heart. But someday he will learn. I cant keep him from knowing forever. Someday his heart will break. Its a terrible thing to suddenly learn the people you love arent who you thought they were.

No matter what happens tomorrow, my family will be left with broken pieces that we might never be able to put together again. We have always put family before differences - and believe me weve had lots of differences - but this is different. This is saying that my son doesnt deserve respect, that he is a second-class citizen, that he doesnt deserve a chance at a better future, that my family doesnt deserve help. I feel like we no longer matter.

Yes, this election has divided America in ways that might take us a long time to recover from. But it has also crushed families in ways we may never recover from. I want to believe there is a way forward. I want to believe there is a way to heal all the wounds that have been inflicted. But right now I cant.

Right now, I am simply heartbroken.


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Donald Trump Is A Garbage Fire [Re: hobie1616] #283857
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Re: Donald Trump Is A Garbage Fire [Re: hobie1616] #283859
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Make sure Trump stays in his 757.


He also complained, as he often does, of Obamas use of the Boeing 747 that is primarily used as Air Force One and how wasteful it is. Trump over the years and over this campaign has made it clear how fond he is of his own Boeing 757. In an interview with Rolling Stone last year, he even ― incorrectly ― claimed it was larger than Air Force One.

757-300 Length 178 ft 8 in (54.47 m) Wingspan 124 ft 10 in (38.05 m)
747-200B Length 231 ft 10 in (70.6 m) Wingspan 195 ft 8 in (59.6 m)

The New York Times reported this week that seeing the much larger aircraft parked near his own in Miami angered Trump to the point of his insisting on an insulting tweet, which his press aide softened before hitting send.


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Re: Donald Trump Is A Garbage Fire [Re: hobie1616] #283861
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Get Trump a beer to cry in.

Let me tell you, he said, dismissing supporters who have credited him with leading a movement win or lose,If I dont win, I will consider it a tremendous waste of time, energy, and money. he said before falsely claiming that he will have spent more than $100 million of his own money on his campaign.

Trump then repeated his false claim that he will have spent more than $100 million of his own money on his campaign. But a late October Federal Election Commission filing showed Trump was still $40 million short of that figure.


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Re: Donald Trump Is A Garbage Fire [Re: hobie1616] #283862
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Did you have "the talk" yet Todd? It may be too late.

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Re: The media IS the Democraptic party! [Re: hobie1616] #283863
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Originally Posted by hobie1616


Right now, I am simply heartbroken.


I've red your open and personal story and to be honest you broke my heart too.

I know there are people who have sometimes so much circumstances and life-events working against them.
But reading your story here on the forum, shocks me deeply and makes me desperately searching for comforting words.

But I can't find them, they are not there.

I can only say (but that's easy for me as an outstander) try not to blame your family too much. I completely share your feelings of treason.
But try to be honest to them and show your feeling to them on a non-accusing way. Maybe you all can still find each other...

I wish you and your family all the strenght and courage which you need these coming days.

Know that via this forum, there are people on the other side of the ocean which have taken you and your family in their heart.



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Re: The media IS the Democraptic party! [Re: northsea junkie] #283865
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Originally Posted by northsea junkie


I've read your open and personal story and to be honest you broke my heart too.


I'm sorry Ronald. The story was posted on another forum I follow. It seemed appropriate for this one. I'll add your response to the other forum's replies.

I've got my own story about my step-son who was born with a laundry list of problems. He's an adult now but my wife and I worry about his support system and whether it will still be there if Trump wins.

Thank you for your heart felt reply.


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Re: The media IS the Democraptic party! [Re: hobie1616] #283866
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o.k. I missed the metaphorical quality of your story.

This is internet......



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Re: The media IS the Democraptic party! [Re: northsea junkie] #283868
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I just got back from the only polling place in West Maui. In the years I've live here it's been a ghost town. West Maui is known for having the worst turnout in the state. Not this year.

The left turn lane was backed up at least four light cycles. I did an illegal left turn through the police station. It took ten minutes to get to the first table where they verify you're legal. Another ten minutes to get to where they hand out the ballots. And still another ten minutes to get a booth.

While waiting for a booth I commented to a poll worker that it appeared to be a good turnout. He replied, "I've been doing this for forty years. I've never seen it like this." And that's with a record 24,000 absentee and early voting island wide.

It looks like cranks bring out the vote.

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Re: Donald Trump Is A Garbage Fire [Re: hobie1616] #283869
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Originally Posted by hobie1616
Did you have "the talk" yet Todd? It may be too late.

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The Trump women probably had "the talk" but it doesn't hurt to confirm they were listening.

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Re: The media IS the Democraptic party! [Re: Todd_Sails] #283870
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TRUMP WINS!!!!!! TRUMP WINS!!!!!!

I was a deplorable until it became cool!!


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Originally Posted by Bob_Curry
TRUMP WINS!!!!!! TRUMP WINS!!!!!!

I was a deplorable until it became cool!!


You're still deplorable Bob, just because something becomes mainstream doesn't change what it is. Being a bigot will never be cool.


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TRUMP WINS!!!!!! TRUMP WINS!!!!!!

I was a deplorable until it became cool!!


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Doesn't matter which one wins, we've all already lost.
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...and the losing continues. How's your 401k looking this morning? Why does the "businessman" win, and the markets panic? We're screwed...

Just so you're not confused, I'm thrilled that Hillary lost, just wish we had a better option than Trump.

I just hope we're not looking at a rematch in four years, or worse (possibly more likely), Elizabeth Warren poking her nose into the ring.

Oh, and just when I thought I couldn't possibly have less respect for Hillary, she hides away and doesn't publicly concede. After mocking Trump when he said he'd contest a close loss. What a piece of work.

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Congratulations to President-Elect Gregory Ammas Stillson. Where was Johnny Smith when we needed him?


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Re: The media IS the Democraptic party! [Re: brucat] #283877
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Originally Posted by brucat
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Doesn't matter which one wins, we've all already lost.
Mike


...and the losing continues. How's your 401k looking this morning? Why does the "businessman" win, and the markets panic? We're screwed...

Just so you're not confused, I'm thrilled that Hillary lost, just wish we had a better option than Trump.

I just hope we're not looking at a rematch in four years, or worse (possibly more likely), Elizabeth Warren poking her nose into the ring.

Oh, and just when I thought I couldn't possibly have less respect for Hillary, she hides away and doesn't publicly concede. After mocking Trump when he said he'd contest a close loss. What a piece of work.

Mike


whut? She conceded with a phone call to Trump at 2:30am and gave a gracious unifying speech this afternoon. Not sure where the problem is.


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Hopefully, you're kidding Jake.

She didn't publicly concede and congratulate her opponent until the next day. That's pretty weak, at the very least for the untold thousands of people who worked on her campaign.

Normally, the loser publicly concedes before the winner accepts.

Maybe she was just getting a head start on prepping for the rematch.

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...and the losing continues. How's your 401k looking this morning? Why does the "businessman" win, and the markets panic? We're screwed...


You sound a bit like the NYT blathering fool, Ex-Enron advisor Paul Krugman (I know, only incidentally - you're not a fool Mike) --
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...Body&action=click&pgtype=article

"Still, I guess people want an answer: If the question is when markets will recover, a first-pass answer is never."

Dow Jones Industrial Average
INDEXDJX: .DJI - Nov 9, 1:57 PM EST
18,548.97Price increase216.23 (1.18%)

S&P 500 Index
INDEXCBOE: .INX - Nov 9, 1:57 PM EST
2,160.34Price increase20.78 (0.97%)

Index Value Change Net / %
NASDAQ 5231.43
37.94 ▲ 0.73%


Also, the Clinton Foundation issued a brief statement regarding the election results: "No Refunds"

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Re: The media IS the Democraptic party! [Re: brucat] #283880
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Originally Posted by brucat
Hopefully, you're kidding Jake.

She didn't publicly concede and congratulate her opponent until the next day. That's pretty weak, at the very least for the untold thousands of people who worked on her campaign.

Normally, the loser publicly concedes before the winner accepts.

Maybe she was just getting a head start on prepping for the rematch.

Mike


Talk about splitting hairs. Trump had ALREADY filed lawsuits to contest elements of the election before it practically began and you're upset because Clinton delayed making her public speech until the next morning? She didn't deny anything, didn't discount the result, she didn't do anything but make a positive, rebuilding, concession speech. I'm pretty sure you would find a way to be upset about anything she did because if that riles you up, wow.


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