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Re: Popular Vote Loser News [Re: Mark Schneider] #286147
02/24/17 12:12 PM
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Re: Popular Vote Loser News [Re: hobie1616] #286149
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Served eight years in the Army, left as Captain, but know enough to trust the senior Military. They know the current situation, and the last thing they want is to go to War.

Re: Popular Vote Loser News [Re: H17cat] #286152
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We ARE at war now. I saw US troops on the ground in Mosul just last night on the news..

the choices are
withdraw
escalate
muddle along with containment and not educate the country on why that makes sense. it sucks but it makes sense. Obama could never pull that off.

I know what trumps generals would do... Muddle along... try to catch their breath.

Trump... who knows? maybe he declares victory and allows us to muddle along as we are now... but with the great trump victory.. Ok then, ... I don't have to understand it... but that would OK by me.


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Re: Popular Vote Loser News [Re: H17cat] #286153
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An early spring may sound nice, but it comes with serious consequencesboth to human health and the environment.

An Alarmingly Early Spring is Sweeping Across the Southern United States

These findings are consistent with the fact that the instrumental record shows that 2016 was the hottest year ever recorded for the globe, and that it was the third record-breaking year in a row. Researchers have noted that 16 of the 17 hottest years recorded occurred since 2000. These new maps show that 2017, at least so far, is shaping up to be another warm one, but also that different regions exhibit variable responses over time.

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Re: Popular Vote Loser News [Re: hobie1616] #286155
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If the popular vote loser can't control the media he'll throw them out.

White House blocks CNN, New York Times from press briefing hours after Trump slams media

The streak of televised briefings did not end because the cable channel finally decided they are no longer breaking news events. (Not every day, anyway.) The streak ended because the White House decided to prohibit cameras from Friday's session. What's more, the White House barred news outlets, such as CNN, the New York Times, Politico and the Los Angeles Times, from entering the room.


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Re: Popular Vote Loser News [Re: hobie1616] #286156
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Alternative Facts

President Donald Trump bragged at his recent Florida rally that after a negotiating session of merely an hour he managed to shave a billion dollars off the price of a new Air Force One.

Facts

The Air Force has no idea what hes talking about. The price had not been determined and the new jets have yet to be designed. So its unclear what Trump might have been negotiating.

Donald Trump Claims He Saved $1 Billion On Air Force One. Thats News To The Military.


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Re: Popular Vote Loser News [Re: hobie1616] #286157
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Re: Popular Vote Loser News [Re: hobie1616] #286158
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Popular vote loser hurts travel industry.

The Travel Press is Reporting the 'Trump Slump,' a Devastating Drop in Tourism to the United States

Though they may differ as to the wisdom of the move, the travel press and most travel experts are of one mind: They are currently drawing attention to an unintended consequence of the Trump-led efforts to stop many Muslims from coming to the U.S., pointing to a sharp drop in foreign tourism to our nation that imperils jobs and touristic income.

Its known as the Trump Slump. And I know of no reputable travel publication to deny it.

Thus, the prestigious Travel Weekly magazine (as close to an official travel publication as they come) has set the decline in foreign tourism at 6.8%. And the fall-off is not limited to Muslim travelers, but also extends to all incoming foreign tourists. Apparently, an attack on one group of tourists is regarded as an assault on all. []

According to the Global Business Travel Association, in only a single week following announcement of the ban against certain foreign tourists, the activity of business travel declined by nearly $185 million.


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Re: Popular Vote Loser News [Re: Mark Schneider] #286164
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Originally Posted by Mark Schneider
Ok... what is your definition of chicken hawk?
Why is obama a chicken hawk?


My understanding of a chickenhawk in this context is one who promotes war without having ever participated in such conflict.

If that's correct, Obama would've fit that definition in textbook perfection. He promised to pull us out of Iraq and Afghanistan. We're still there and virtually every other sh!t hole on the planet. In fact, he's done it in an even more insidious way. Relying highly on uav strikes where there's no dead soldiers for the media to capitalize on. Wouldn't that be pure chickenhawk?


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Re: Popular Vote Loser News [Re: Karl_Brogger] #286165
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"So here is where we're at right now: Trump can dominate the news merely by referencing something that didnt happen in Sweden. Trump dominates the news cycle the way a fart dominates the interior of a Volkswagen Beetle. There is simply no escape from him."
---John Oliver

"The Washington Post has done an analysis of Trumps first month as president and says that during that time, Trump has made 133 false or misleading statements. Its only been 34 days. It feels like hes halfway into his second term, doesnt it? This is the first administration where the public is aging faster than the president."
---James Corden

"You played golf six times in one month? Are you the President of the United States or a San Diego dentist?"
---Seth Meyers

Trump wont be flying down to Mar-A-Lago tonight. Its his one weekend a month to stay in D.C. and wander the halls in his bathrobe scaring the crap out of the prisoners still in Cheney's dungeon under the White House.


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Re: Popular Vote Loser News [Re: Karl_Brogger] #286167
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Originally Posted by Karl_Brogger
Originally Posted by Mark Schneider
Ok... what is your definition of chicken hawk?
Why is obama a chicken hawk?


My understanding of a chickenhawk in this context is one who promotes war without having ever participated in such conflict.

If that's correct, Obama would've fit that definition in textbook perfection. He promised to pull us out of Iraq and Afghanistan. We're still there and virtually every other sh!t hole on the planet. In fact, he's done it in an even more insidious way. Relying highly on uav strikes where there's no dead soldiers for the media to capitalize on. Wouldn't that be pure chickenhawk?


Chickenhawk (politics)
Chickenhawk (also chicken hawk and chicken-hawk) is a political term used in the United States to describe a person who strongly supports war or other military action (i.e., a war hawk), yet who actively avoids or avoided military service when of age.

The term indicates that the person in question is hypocritical for personally dodging a draft or otherwise shirking their duty to their country during a time of armed conflict while advocating that others do so. Generally, the implication is that chickenhawks lack the moral character to participate in war themselves, preferring to ask others to support, fight and perhaps die in an armed conflict.

Origin of the term
In political usage chickenhawk is a compound of chicken (meaning coward) and hawk (meaning someone who advocates war, first used to describe "War Hawks" in the War of 1812). The earliest known print citation of chickenhawk in this sense was in the June 16, 1986 issue of The New Republic. An association between the word chickenhawk and war was popularized several years earlier in the 1983 bestselling book Chickenhawk, a memoir by Robert Mason about his service in the Vietnam War, in which he was a helicopter pilot. Mason used the word as a compound oxymoron to describe both his fear of combat ("chicken") and his attraction to it ("hawk"), a slightly different use of the term which nonetheless might have inspired the current usage.

On an episode of the American television show "Rowan & Martin's Laugh-In" that aired 1/19/1970 (season 3, episode 18), Dan Rowan made the following joke:

"On the Vietnam issue, I have a friend who says he's a chickenhawk. He wants us to fight on to victory, but to do it without him."

Previously, the term war wimp was sometimes used, coined during the Vietnam War by Congressman Andrew Jacobs, a Marine veteran of the Korean War. Jacobs defined a war wimp as "someone who is all too willing to send others to war, but never got 'round to going himself".

In summary, a coward, lacking in moral character.
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Re: Popular Vote Loser News [Re: Karl_Brogger] #286168
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Karl, agree.

Re: Popular Vote Loser News [Re: Mark Schneider] #286169
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[quote=Mark Schneider]We ARE at war now. I saw US troops on the ground in Mosul just last night on the news..


True, but if the Military had their way, we would not be there. They would have fixed the problem the first time.





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Re: Popular Vote Loser News [Re: H17cat] #286170
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Chico Marx has taken control of the White House.

Trump's White House press office just put up a velvet rope in front of the media

On the one hand, the excluded reporters might feel relieved at having a day off from Spicers usual stream of counterfactual spin. This is, after all, the press secretary who began his tenure on a Chico Marx note, telling reporters not to believe what they saw at the inauguration with their own eyes and instead accept the administrations grossly exaggerated attendance estimates.

It evokes memories of that most famous White House compiler of an enemies list, Richard Nixon probably not the president whose footsteps Trump wants to follow.


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Re: Popular Vote Loser News [Re: hobie1616] #286174
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Originally Posted by hobie1616
Mexico may play some catchup.

Mexico may strike back. Heres how.

PRESIDENT TRUMP has a good idea of the power the United States wields over Mexico, and the pain it may inflict the construction of a wall Mexico fiercely opposes; taxes that could be slapped on Mexican imports, wreaking havoc on its economy; deportations of undocumented Mexican immigrants living in the United States, who would be thrust back into a country that would struggle to absorb them. Mr. Trump might have a fuzzier idea of the pain Mexico, its people furious and its pride wounded by his taunts and contempt, might inflict on the United States.

Start with those deportations. At least half of Americas 11 million unauthorized immigrants are Mexican, but many have no documents proving their nationality. For the Trump administration to deport them, it would need cooperation from Mexico, which cannot be forced to accept deportees without certifying that they are Mexicans. As former Mexican foreign minister Jorge G. Castaeda has already warned, Mr. Trump can round up hundreds of thousands or millions of migrants, but without Mexicos cooperation, they could clog U.S. detention centers and immigration courts at enormous cost and, conceivably, for years.

Consider, too, the effect on Americas southern border if Mexico were to loosen immigration controls on its own southern border the one over which Central American refugees are already streaming north in near-record numbers. Even with what U.S. officials say are aggressive interdiction efforts by Mexican authorities, the Border Patrol detained more than 220,000 mainly Guatemalans, Hondurans and Salvadorans crossing from Mexico into the United States in the fiscal year ending last fall, exceeding the number of Mexicans apprehended, which has fallen to a 45-year low. If you think the Border Patrol is swamped now, as Homeland Security Secretary John F. Kelly insists, imagine if Mexico, which last year sent home more than 140,000 Central Americans, simply stepped aside.


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Mexico has informed the Trump administration that it cannot accept non-Mexican nationals whom U.S. authorities arrest along the border and seek to remove from U.S. territory, the nations internal security chief said Friday. Earlier this week, the Trump administration rolled out a broad immigration crackdown that included a proposal to send non-Mexican detainees apprehended along the U.S.-Mexico border back to Mexico while their immigration cases were pending in the United States. The vast majority of non-Mexican nationals detained along the U.S.-Mexico border are Central Americans. They often travel overland through Mexico to reach the United States.

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Re: Popular Vote Loser News [Re: H17cat] #286176
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Um... which first time are you talking about?

More the point.... We have civilian control of the military. Lots of factors go into starting and finishing a war.
I remember being PO'd that Bush 1 walked away and did not march into Bagdad. Why did he not listen to the generals??

After a month of trump... I finally understand Bush.... the liberal world order (you can't just go an invade a country) is precious. The further we get from WWII.... the fewer people understand what that cost and why the US role in maintaining the liberal world order is indispensable. Trump's generals know this Anyway... they get to manage all of his bluster and BS while teaching the old guy... some post war history. One of them walked away from Trumps offer.... Thankfully the new guy seems to be a pro and demanded his own staff (no Fox TV hacks please)

As to the wisdom of the generals... Well... it depends on which general... the one who told bush II.... it would take 300 K troops and got retired?... or the generals who agreed that they could take over a country with a 100k and F'd it up for decades?

How about the current generals? the jury is still out.
Lets see what the bottom line was on the Yemen catastrophe... Did the generals green light an opp to give Trump a macho win? Did the generals just have a hi risk/reward tolerance than Obama and his team would have. Does the fubar cost the US blood and treasure down the road for the big fail of an operation that it seems to have been? Is the cost of the opp just the loss of life and equipment or prestige and power in the region? (carter's failed rescue opp made us look weak... reagans walk away from lebanon military barack bombing made us look weak)

Clearly a mixed bag... Just because they have lots of stars... does not make them all knowing. The most famous general out of iraq is on probation because he wanted a block buster biography from his mistress so he could pretend to be Eisenhower or Grant.

My take home... we pay a fortune for the military that we have... we need them to be forward leaning...We don't need snowflakes... so we need to use them to further US interest when hard power is needed. we also need a civilian check on the generals... and as the current NSC guy notes... we need generals to tell politicians where to go when needed (viet nam).

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True Mark, we will see. Trust in Mad Dog, and without a community organizer in charge, that fired all the generals that did not agree with him, we should be OK.

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The popular vote loser has been in office for 36 days. Just think what he can do if he lasts for a year. It boggles the imagination.

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White House press secretary Sean Spicer falsely claimed the crowd on the National Mall was largest audience to ever witness an inauguration. (Jan. 21)

Trump falsely claimed that the crowd for his swearing-in stretched down the National Mall to the Washington Monument and totaled more than 1 million people. (Jan. 21)

As Trump fondly recalled his Inauguration Day, he said it stopped raining immediately when he began his speech. A light rain continued to fall throughout the address. (Jan. 21)

During his speech at CIA headquarters, Trump claimed the media made up his feud with the agency. In fact, he started it by comparing the intelligence community to Nazi Germany. (Jan. 21)

During his speech at CIA headquarters, Trump repeated the claim that he didnt want to go into Iraq. He told Howard Stern in 2002 that he supported the Iraq War. (Jan. 21)

During his speech at CIA headquarters, Trump said he had the all-time record in the history of Time Magazine. Ive been on it for 15 times this year. Trump had been featured on the magazine a total of 11 times. (Jan. 21)

Trump claimed that his inauguration drew 11 million more viewers than Barack Obamas in 2013. It didnt, and viewership for Obamas first inauguration, in 2009, was even higher. (Jan. 22)

Spicer said during his first press briefing that there has been a dramatic expansion of the federal workforce in recent years. This is false. (Jan. 23)

While pushing back against the notion of a rift between the CIA and Trump, Spicer claimed the president had received a five-minute standing ovation at the agencys headquarters. He did not. The attendees were also never asked to sit down. (Jan. 23)

Spicer claimed that tens of millions of people watched the inauguration online. In fact, about 4.6 million did. (Jan. 23)

Trump told CBN News that 84 percent Cuban-Americans voted for him. Its not clear where Trump got that number. According to the Pew Research Center, 54 percent of Cuban-Americans in Florida voted for him. (Jan. 23)

While meeting with congressional leaders, Trump repeated a debunked claim that he only lost the national popular vote because of widespread voter fraud. (Jan. 24)

In remarks with business leaders at the White House, Trump said, Im a very big person when it comes to the environment. I have received awards on the environment. There is no evidence that Trump has received such awards. (Jan. 24)

In signing an executive memo ordering the construction of the Keystone pipeline, Trump said the project would create 28,000 construction jobs. According to The Washington Post Fact Checker, the pipeline would create an estimated 16,000 jobs, most of which are not construction jobs. (Jan. 25)

Spicer said in a press briefing that Trump received more electoral votes than any Republican since Ronald Reagan. George H.W. Bush won 426 electoral votes in 1988, more than Trumps 304. (Jan. 24)

In remarks he gave at the Homeland Security Department, Trump said Immigration and Customs Enforcement and border patrol agents unanimously endorsed me for president. Thats not true. (Jan. 25)

Spicer said during a press briefing that a draft executive order on CIA prisons was not a White House document. Citing three administration officials, The New York Times reported that the White House had circulated the draft order among national security staff members. (Jan. 25)

In an interview with ABC, Trump again claimed he had the biggest audience in the history of inaugural speeches. False. (Jan. 25)

Trump claimed during an interview with ABC that the applause he received at CIA headquarters was the biggest standing ovation since Peyton Manning had won the Super Bowl. It wasnt even a standing ovation. (Jan. 25)

In an interview with ABC, Trump attacked the Affordable Care Act and said there are millions of people that now arent insured anymore. Twenty million people have gained health coverage because of the law so far. The estimated 2 million people who did not qualify under the law received waivers that kept the plans going until the end of 2017. (Jan. 25)

At the GOP retreat in Philadelphia, Trump claimed he and the president of Mexico agreed to cancel their scheduled meeting. Enrique Pea Nieto said he had decided to cancel it. (Jan. 26)

At the GOP retreat in Philadelphia, Trump said the national homicide rate was horribly increasing. It is down significantly. (Jan. 26)

On Twitter, Trump repeated his false claim that 3 million votes were illegal during the election. (Jan. 27)

In an interview on Good Morning America, Trump counselor Kellyanne Conway said Tiffany Trump, the presidents daughter, had told her she was not registered to vote in two states. A local election official confirmed to NBC News twice that the younger Trump indeed was. (Jan. 27)

Trump said he predicted the so-called Brexit when he was in Scotland the day before the vote. He was actually there the day after the United Kingdom voted to leave the European Union. (Jan. 27)

Trump claimed The New York Times lost subscribers because their readers even like me. The Times experienced a sharp uptick in subscribers after Election Day. (Jan. 27)

Trump claimed two people were fatally shot in Chicago during Obamas last speech as president. That didnt happen. (Jan. 27)

Trump claimed that under previous administrations, if you were a Muslim you could come in, but if you were a Christian, it was almost impossible. In fact, almost as many Christian refugees were admitted to the U.S. as Muslim refugees in fiscal year 2016. (Jan. 27)

Trump defended the swiftness of his immigration order on the grounds that terrorists would have rushed into the country if he had given the world a weeks notice. Even if terrorists wanted to infiltrate the refugee program or the visa program, they would have had to wait months or even years while being vetted to get into the country. (Jan. 30)

The White House maintained that Trumps immigration order did not apply to green card holders and that was the guidance from the beginning. Initially, the White House said the order did include green card holders. (Jan. 30)

Trump said his immigration order was similar to what President Obama did in 2011 when he banned visas for refugees from Iraq for six months. Obamas policy slowed resettlement of refugees from Iraq, but did not keep them from entering the country. Moreover, it flagged the seven countries included in Trumps order as places the U.S. considered dangerous to visit. (Jan. 30)

Spicer said that by and large, Trump has been praised for his statement commemorating the Holocaust. Every major Jewish organization, including the Republican Jewish Coalition, criticized it for omitting any specific references to the Jewish people or anti-Semitism. (Jan. 30)

A Trump administration official called the implementation of Trumps travel ban a massive success story. Not true ― young children, elderly people and U.S. green card holders were detained for hours. Some were deported upon landing in the U.S. House Speaker Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) even criticized the rollout as confusing. (Jan. 30)

Spicer equated White House adviser Steve Bannons appointment to the National Security Council Principals Committee with Obama adviser David Axelrod attending meetings pertaining to foreign policy. Axelrod, however, never sat on the Principals Committee. (Jan. 30)

Spicer said people would have flooded into the country with advance notice of Trumps immigration order. Not true. (Jan. 30)

Spicer insisted that only 109 travelers were detained because of Trumps immigration order. More than 1,000 legal permanent residents had to get waivers before entering the U.S. An estimated 90,000 people in total were affected by the ban. (Jan. 30)

Trump tweeted the false claim that only 109 people out of 325,000 were detained and held for questioning. (Jan. 30)

Trump took credit for cutting $600 million from the F-35 program. But Lockheed Martin already had planned for the cost reductions for the next generation fighter plane. (Jan. 31)

Trump accused China of manipulating its currency by playing the money market. They play the devaluation market, and we sit there like a bunch of dummies. According to The Washington Post, the United States is no longer being hurt by Chinas currency manipulation, and China is no longer devaluing its currency. (Jan. 31)

In defending the GOPs blockade of Merrick Garland, Obamas nominee to the Supreme Court, Spicer said no president had ever nominated a justice so late in his term. It previously happened three times. (Jan. 31)

Spicer repeatedly insisted during a press conference that Trumps executive order on immigration was not a ban. During a Q&A event the night before, however, Spicer himself referred to the order as a ban. So did the president. (Jan. 31)

White House officials denied reports that Trump told Pea Nieto that U.S. forces would handle the bad hombres down there if the Mexican authorities dont. It confirmed the conversation the next day, maintaining the remark was meant to be lighthearted. (Jan. 31)

Trump claimed that Delta, protesters and the tears of Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) were to blame for the problems over his travel ban. In fact, his administration was widely considered to blame for problems associated with its rollout. (Jan. 31)

Trump said the Obama administration agreed to take thousands of illegal immigrants from Australia. The deal actually involved 1,250 refugees. (Feb. 1)

Trump said the U.S. has the most generous immigration system in the world. Not really. (Feb. 2)

Trump said the U.S. was giving Iran $150 billion for nothing under the Iranian nuclear deal. The money was already Irans to begin with, and the deal blocks Iran from building a nuclear bomb. (Feb. 2)

Spicer called a U.S. raid in Yemen very, very well thought out and executed effort and described it as a successful operation by all standards. U.S. military officials told Reuters the operation was approved without sufficient intelligence, ground support, or adequate backup preparations. (Feb. 2)

Spicer said that Iran had attacked a U.S. naval vessel, as part of his argument defending the administrations bellicose announcement that Iran is on notice. In fact, a suspected Houthi rebel ship attacked a Saudi vessel. (Feb. 2)

In his meeting with union leaders at the White House, Trump claimed he won union households. He actually only won white union households. (Feb. 2)

Conway cited the Bowling Green massacre to defend Trumps travel ban. It never happened. (Feb. 3)

Conway said citing the nonexistent Bowling Green massacre to defend Trumps immigration order was an accidental slip. But she had mentioned it twice prior to that interview. (Feb. 3)

Trump approvingly shared a story on his official Facebook page which claimed that Kuwait issued a visa ban for five Muslim-majority countries. Kuwait issued a statement categorically denying it. (Feb. 3)

Trump claimed people are pouring in after his immigration order was temporarily suspended. Travelers and refugees cannot simply rush into the U.S. without extensive and lengthy vetting. (Feb. 5)

After a judge halted his immigration ban, Trump claimed that anyone, even with bad intentions, can now come into the U.S. Not true. (Feb. 5)

Spicer said nationwide protests of Trump are not like protests the tea party held, and called them a very paid AstroTurf-type movement. Although Democrats have capitalized on the backlash against Trump by organizing, the massive rallies across dozens of cities across the country ― which in some cases have been spontaneous ― suggests they are part of an organic phenomenon. (Feb. 6)

During an interview with Fox News before the Super Bowl, Trump repeated his debunked claim of widespread voter fraud during the presidential election. There is no evidence of widespread voter fraud. Republican and Democratic state officials have said so, as have Trumps own campaign attorneys. (Feb. 6)

During an interview with Fox News before the Super Bowl, Trump repeated his false claim that he has been against the war in Iraq from the beginning. (Feb. 6)

Conway said she would not appear on CNNs State of the Union because of family reasons. CNN, however, said the White House offered Conway as an alternative to Vice President Mike Pence and that the network had passed because of concerns about her credibility. (Feb. 6)

Spicer claimed CNN retracted its explanation of why it declined to take Conway for a Sunday show appearance. CNN said it never did so. (Feb. 6)

Trump cited attacks in Boston, Paris, Orlando, Florida, and Nice, France, as examples of terrorism the media has not covered adequately. In many cases, the very, very dishonest press doesnt want to report it, he said at CENTCOM. Those attacks garnered wall-to-wall television coverage, as well as thousands of news articles in print and online. (Feb. 6)

The White House released a more expansive list of terrorist attacks it believed did not receive adequate attention from Western media sources. Again, the list includes attacks that were widely covered by the media. (Feb. 6)

Trump said sanctuary cities breed crime. FBI data indicates that crime in sanctuary cities is generally lower than in nonsanctuary cities. (Feb. 6)

Trump claimed The New York Times was forced to apologize to its subscribers for the poor reporting it did on my election win. The paper has not issued such an apology. (Feb. 6)

Trump claimed the murder rate is the highest its been in 47 years. The murder rate rose 10.8 percent across the United States in 2015, but its far lower than it was 30 to 40 years ago. (Feb. 7)

Spicer explained that the delay in repealing Obamacare was a result of the White House wanting to work with Congress. Unlike during the Obama administration, he asserted, the legislature ― not the White House ― was taking the lead on health care. Various congressional committees worked on drafting multiple versions of the bill that would become the Affordable Care Act ― a lengthy process that took over a year. (Feb. 7)

Trump accused Sen. Richard Blumenthal (D-Conn.) of misrepresenting what Judge Neil Gorsuch told him in response to the presidents attacks against the judiciary. Gorsuch called Trumps tweets attacking federal judges demoralizing. A spokesman for Gorsuch confirmed the judges remarks. (Feb. 9)

Trump has repeatedly said he doesnt watch CNN. But he had to in order to see and offer and opinion on the networks interview with Blumenthal. (Feb. 9)

Former national security adviser Michael Flynn has said that phone calls he made to Russia prior to Trumps inauguration were not related to sanctions. According to a Washington Post report, however, Flynn held private discussions with Sergey Kislyak, the Russian ambassador, before Trump took office, suggesting that sanctions against Moscow would be eased by the incoming administration. (Feb. 9)

Trump took credit for Fords decision not to open an auto factory in Mexico and instead expand its Michigan plant. The company said Trump was not responsible for its decision. (Feb. 9)

Trump told a room full of politicians that thousands of illegal voters had been driven into New Hampshire to cast ballots. There is no evidence of such a claim. (Feb. 11)

During an interview with ABCs This Week, White House senior policy aide Stephen Miller falsely said the issue of busing voters into New Hampshire is widely known by anyone whos worked in New Hampshire politics. Again, not true. (Feb. 11)

Miller cited the astonishing statistic that 14 percent of noncitizens are registered to vote. The study the stat is based on has been highly contested. (Feb. 11)

Trump said Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) was cut off on CNN for using the term fake news the describe the network. The senator was joking and he was not cut off. (Feb. 12)

Trump accused the media of refusing to report on big crowds of enthusiastic supporters lining the road in Florida. There were a few supporters, but they were vastly outnumbered by hundreds of protesters. (Feb. 12)

White House officials told reporters that Flynn decided on his own to resign. However, Spicer said during a press briefing that the president asked Flynn to resign. (Feb. 13)

Trump denied in a January interview that he or anyone on his campaign had any contact with Russia prior to the election. However, The New York Times and CNN both reported that Trump campaign officials and associates had repeated contacts with senior Russian intelligence officials before Nov. 8. (Feb. 15)

Spicer denied in a daily briefing that anyone on the Trump campaign had had any contact with Russian officials. (Feb. 15)

Trump complained he inherited a mess upon being elected to office. The stock market is experiencing record highs, the economy is stable and growing, and unemployment is low. (Feb. 16)

Trump disputed the notion that his administration is experiencing turmoil, telling reporters it is working like a fine-tuned machine. His poorly executed travel ban has been suspended by the courts, a Cabinet nominee was forced to withdraw his nomination, and Trumps national security adviser resigned after less than four weeks on the job. (Feb. 16)

Trump said his 306 Electoral College votes was the biggest electoral votes victory since Ronald Reagan. Obama got 332 votes in 2012. (Feb. 16)

Trump said his first weeks in office represented an unprecedented month of action. Obama accomplished much more during his first weeks in office. (Feb. 16)

Defending himself from charges of hypocrisy on the matter of leaks ― which he frequently celebrated when they pertained to his campaign opposition but now denounces ― Trump said that WikiLeaks does not publicize classified information. It does, often anonymously. (Feb. 16)

Trump repeated his claim that Hillary Clinton gave 20 percent of American uranium to the Russians in a deal during her tenure as secretary of state. Not true. (Feb. 16)

Trump said drugs are becoming cheaper than a candy bar. They are not. (Feb. 16)

Trump said his administration had a very smooth rollout of the travel ban. His immigration caused chaos at the nations airports and has been suspended by the courts. (Feb. 16)

Trump said the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals is in chaos and turmoil. It is not. (Feb. 16)

Flynn lied to FBI investigators in a Jan. 24 interview about whether he discussed sanctions with Russian officials prior to Trumps inauguration, according to The Washington Post. (Feb. 16)

Trump falsely suggested at a Florida rally that Sweden had suffered a terror attack the night before his speech. It had not, and Trump was likely referring to a Fox News segment on crime in Sweden. (Feb. 18)

During his Florida rally, Trump repeated his false claim that the United States has already let in thousands of people who there was no way to vet. Refugees undergo the most rigorous vetting process of any immigrants admitted to the United States, often waiting upwards of two years to be cleared for entry. (Feb. 18)

White House chief of staff Reince Priebus said in a Fox News Sunday interview that Trump has accomplished more in the first 30 days than people can remember. Obama accomplished much more during his first weeks in office. (Feb. 19)

Trump said during his campaign that he would only play golf with heads of state and business leaders, not friends and celebrities like Obama did. Trump has golfed with world leaders like Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe. Most recently, however, he hit the links with golf pro Rory McIlroy, International Sports Managements Nick Mullen and his friend Rich Levine. (Feb. 19)

A White House spokesperson told reporters that Trump only played a couple of holes at his golf resort in Florida. A day later, as reports came out saying the president had played 18 holes with Mcllroy, the White House admitted he played longer. (Feb. 19)

Trump said the media is trying to say large scale immigration in Sweden is working out just beautifully. NOT! Swedens crime rate has fallen in recent years, and experts there do not think its immigration policies are linked to crime. (Feb. 20)

Spicer said Ohio Gov. John Kasich (R) asked for a meeting with Trump at the White House. John Weaver, a former campaign aide of the governor, said the president asked for the meeting. (Feb. 21)

Vice President Mike Pence called Obamacare a job killer. Overall, job growth has been steady since it was signed into law. And the number of unwilling part-time jobs has also gone down, contrary to GOP claims. (Feb. 22)

Trump claimed that he negotiated $1 billion in savings to develop two new Boeing Co. jets to serve as the next Air Force One. The Air Force cant account for that number. (Feb. 22)

During a meeting with the nations CEOs at the White House, Trump claimed his new economic adviser Gary Cohn paid $200 million in tax to take a job at the White House. Cohn didnt have to pay taxes, he had to sell more than $200 million of Goldman Sachs stock. (Feb. 23)

Trump claimed there were six blocks worth of people waiting to get into the Conservative Political Action Conference to see him. People filled only three overflow rooms. (Feb. 24)

At CPAC, Trump said that Obamacare covers very few people. Nearly 20 million people have gotten health insurance under the law. (Feb. 24)

At CPAC, Trump said companies like Intel were making business investments in the United States because of his election. The company planned their new investments before the election. (Feb. 24)


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Re: Popular Vote Loser News [Re: hobie1616] #286203
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As tyrants take control of democracies, they typically do the following seven things.

1. They exaggerate their mandate to govern, claiming, for example, that they won an election by a landslide even after losing the popular vote. They criticize any finding that they or co-conspirators stole the election. And they repeatedly claim massive voter fraud in the absence of any evidence, in order to have an excuse to restrict voting by opponents in subsequent elections.

2. They turn the public against journalists or media outlets that criticize them, calling them deceitful and scum, and telling the public that the press is a public enemy. They hold few, if any, press conferences and prefer to communicate with the public directly through mass rallies and unfiltered statements (or what we might now call tweets).

3. They repeatedly lie to the public, even when confronted with the facts. Repeated enough, these lies cause some of the public to doubt the truth and believe fictions that support the tyrants goals.

4. They blame economic stresses on immigrants or racial or religious minorities and foment public bias or even violence against them. They threaten mass deportations, registries of religious minorities and the banning of refugees.

5. They attack the motives of anyone who opposes them, including judges. They attribute acts of domestic violence to enemies within and use such events as excuses to beef up internal security and limit civil liberties.

6. They appoint family members to high positions of authority. They appoint their own personal security force rather than a security detail accountable to the public. And they put generals into top civilian posts.

7. They keep their personal finances secret and draw no distinction between personal property and public property, profiteering from their public office.


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Re: Popular Vote Loser News [Re: H17cat] #286204
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hmm... obama did indeed fire a general.... In fact he fired the general he inherited and who was stone cold crazy and a future russian asset. in fact... Trump fired the same guy.

Obama fired Mcrystal for going on the record.... that is ON THE RECORD for bashing obama choices. Even the military guys said that obama had to fire him... because of the rank insubordination.

So... we are now 4 - 5 years out in Afhgan... who was right?. Mcrystal... escalate... Obama... mititgate the fubar?

Obama was sorry that he had to fire McCrytsal... even tho he disagreed with McCrystals judgement. In the end, McCrystal was a great general... and a lousy politician..... aka the peter principle... you rise to your level of incompetence.

The strength and weakness of the US military is the chain of command... A 4 star tells a 3 star what he believes. They manage this by moving people through the system. Equally important is civilian control of the military. The generals serve the elected reps.

I am not so keen on having a general in the civilian role of Defense sec. 4 stars tell 3 stars how high to jump. That is why they had a rule against a general walking over. Trump is so off the charts... a smart general was a lifesaver.

obviously you hate obama...pray tell.. what are the skills you need to be commander in chief and which background serves you better in the US system of three co equal branches.

community organizer/law professor/state legislature/senator versus
real estate developer/TV reality star/Branding wiz versus
Baseball team owner/Texas governor/3rd generation scion of political family.

Make your case for commander in chief ... (then I will make mine)


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