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Spitfire Sailing Video #31549
03/18/04 05:44 PM
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The UK Spitfire Class made this video for the recent UK Dinghy Show. Good action.
http://www.spitfiresailing.org.uk/data/spitfiredemo_isdn.wmv
If the link does not work go to www.spitfiresailing.org.uk
Go to Photo and click on Spitfire Demo.


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Re: Spitfire Sailing Video [Re: Dermot] #31550
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That is an excellent video. If it's a promotional video, I wonder why they showed all the pitchpoles at the end. Granted, it looks like they had plenty of wind that day, but they almost make you think that it's a common part of sailing a Spitfire.
Anyways, it sure makes me want the water around here to warm up another 40 degrees or so!
Jack


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Re: Spitfire Sailing Video [Re: Dermot] #31551
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Agree, an excellent video. Not sure why Spitfire chose Eye of the Tiger for this video though. I mean it's a classic rockin song, but shouldn't the 'H' team get the rights to use it for their Formula boat, uh, you know what are they called. Video rivals their video from Italy a couple years ago.

Do most teams trap the crew out first? I love to drive from the wire downwind.

And ouch - double ouch on some of those pitchpoles!!! Looks like the skippers were going to be pulling batten splinters out of their mouths the way they got projected into the main trying to save it til the last. Them aint no wave-piercing hulls either man!

Make sure you watch it til the end to see some nice wipeouts.

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Re: Spitfire Sailing Video [Re: JMAC] #31552
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Eye of the Tiger? Yeah - that was probably on purpose...i.e. who is the eye of the Tiger on?



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Re: Spitfire Sailing Video [Re: Dermot] #31553
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Sweet. Pitch and pendulum--we've all been there!


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Re: Spitfire Sailing Video [Re: jmhoying] #31554
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I also wondered why all the pitchpoles were shown. You don't see that many when racing with these guys and girls. These people hold off top Formula 18 crews. I raced with them in strong winds and never saw any of the top crews over. I asume that they sailed in that restricted area to get the aerial shots from the bridge. The wind may have been very flukey and gusty. Also, to get good action shots, they may have been sailing tighter reaches than usual.

The class mostly races short windward leward courses and the racing is very close. If one of the crew need to go on the wire downwind, it is the crew. The helm needs to concentrate completely on his steering. Even if the crew slips,as long as the helm is sitting right back with his feet in the toestraps, it is likely that they will recover from a near pitchpole.

It is still cold on the lake, but racing starts on the 28th. I think (?) that I am looking forward to it !


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Re: Spitfire Sailing Video [Re: JMAC] #31555
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I've always wanted to make a beachcat music video to the song "Elevation" by U2.

its very fitting if you see the lyrics. Also, I'm not sure why they put the PP's in too.

Re: Spitfire Sailing Video [Re: Dermot] #31556
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Do most teams trap the crew out first? I love to drive from the wire downwind.


Always did on the Hurricane 5.9. Gives a better balance as the crew can move around more to keep the hull flying in the light stuff. I also used to Love double trap with 3 Sails up too....Now Single trap with Main and Kite on my own.....


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Re: Spitfire Sailing Video [Re: scooby_simon] #31557
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What great images! If the Hobie Cat company still had anyone as innovative as Hobie Alter, they would be using terrific modern advertising like this. Maybe then I would have more than 2 people in my local fleet and we could put on regattas for X-boats again. (Long drawn-out Sigh)

We could even show the Spitfires how to use chicken lines.


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Re: Spitfire Sailing Video [Re: jmhoying] #31558
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Capsize: fall down, go boom. Pitchpole: now there's real beauty.

Ahh, the pleasant pitchpole. The slow elevator ride to vertical or nearly so. The sinking realization that you are no longer cool not to have recognized the limit and not to have backed-off in time to prevent the inevitable. The echo of one's dear departed Mom in the overconfident gray cells saying, "You're gonna kill yourself on that thing." (She had long since dropped the "Just wait 'til your father gets home" appendage to the admonition.) Helplessly you ask yourself "Why didn't it rubber band back like it does, sometimes?" How smart you are, you tell yourself, up to your chin in salt water, that you stuck out your arm in order to prevent your noggin' and/or ribs from banging into the mast (big bruise already on that arm). Mere moments before a gorilla on a wire and now simply a wet monkey at the level of fishbait, plankton, and other simple or no-minded creatures among the flotsam. The alpha male reigned in by the Alpha Cat. You da man. It was wonderful; which is kinda hard to explain.


Re: Spitfire Sailing Video [Re: Dermot] #31559
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Dermot,

I too was at the dinghy show on sunday and thought that video was great, what I found really encouraging is how many kids were gathered around it, including my own 5 and 6 year olds. My son watched it about half a dozen times and thought it was the best thing at the show. I have always vowed not to push them into sailing but he now thinks its great.

Re: Innovative? [Re: dacarls] #31560
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Hey dacarls...

Did you know that Hobie Alter has not been part of Hobie Cat since the mid 80's. Since then... have you heard of the Hobie TriFoiler, Hobie Wave, Hobie Getaway, Hobie Bravo, Hobie 21 Sport Cruiser, Hobie Mirage kayaks? The Hobie 20? In the French factory... The Hobie Tiger, Hobie Fox, FX1 and many others? Hobie Cat has many very innovative designs since Hobie Alter. Sure, many are based on other designs, but what cat isn't really.

I think you have that wrong, Videos? Heard of Sharing the wind? That was a professional movie... not just a video. Hobie Cat France has been making professional videos of the major Worlds events for years. Have you been to the Hobie Website to see all of the videos that are available for download?

Can't imagine why you think videos are new or innovative, but we have learned over the years to stay away from stuff that scares people like a bunch of crashes and capsizes. That stuff is fun for us to watch, but probably won't sell any boats.

Know what? We (I) have a video system for creating rigging and marketing videos here. I have completed a DVD package this winter that dealers used at shows and will have in their stores. It includes all of the latest promo videos and copies of the 16 and Tiger Worlds movies and the Hobie History Movie. We'll let you know when it becomes available to the public.


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Trully : From Hero to Zero !! (nm) [Re: Dean] #31561
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Re: Innovative? [Re: mmiller] #31562
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Matt,
Like most of the commentators above, I wouldn't include the crashes at the end in a promo video; something you seem to agree with. It is a fact, however, that this is a very cool video, one that could attract adventure oriented people. I have a copy of "Share the Wind" and it is very cool and very well done. However, you must realize that it is painfully dated (the 70s). Interesting, but too dated to be useful as a current marketing tool. There seems to have been a paucity of video offerings from Hobie over the years, but maybe that is changing, as your comments seem to indicate. I'm guessing that Hobie already has the footage needed to create promo videos (5/10 min. in length) for any level of intensity and any focus (recreational or racing) of sailing on their cats. Put them together and make them available to dealers and fleets; that's good grassroots marketing.
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Re: Innovative? [Re: davidn] #31563
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I love it when people assume that Hobie is a huge thriving company that has Microsoft-like funds from which to undertake activities such as those mentioned above :P

I mean, they could be in post-filming production of a video when hobie up and cancels a boat from production, screwing the pooch on the whole vid! :P

(read the above paragraph with abundant amounts of sarcasm please)

Re: Innovative? [Re: mmiller] #31564
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Since then... have you heard of the Hobie TriFoiler, Hobie Wave, Hobie Getaway, Hobie Bravo, Hobie 21 Sport Cruiser, Hobie Mirage kayaks? The Hobie 20?


No offense, but...
Innovative designs to be sure, but the only one that was inspiring to me in that list was the 20. Although the Wave has made its place in a way. I suppose when I see a Wave or Getaway in the heavy surf ala Sharing the Wind I'll change my mind...

Mentioning the Euro Hobies only drives the point home for me. I remember seeing the Euro boats on the web (varients on the 21, Pacifica, Dragoon, etc.) and thinking "why can't we get or build those boats here?" It seemed that it took awhile for the US market for the Tiger to even be recognized. Now it's catch-up time. It's great that the Euro boats are there to import now. But the blame is placed on the open class.

Sorry if it all sounds negative, I'm just raw-dumping my feelings I guess. I'd like to see Hobie succeed, and in way that grows all of cat sailing. Just like I like to drive but would be upset if all I could buy was a Chevy.

Of course, my faith would be restored if Hobie-USA came out with an affordable and competitive A-Cat, non roto-molded...

Hobie is doing ok... [Re: Keith] #31565
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I no longer own a Hobie, but have had just about every model other than the H16. My dad has owned a Getaway since they came out. I'll tell you what, that boat really is wonderful from a standpoint of usability, friendliness, and fairly performance oriented. If it were a little tougher (we have had hull cracking problems on the x-bar openings) I'd give it a 10.

Hobie is not going to drop the H16 all of the sudden, so that boat is staying until they have a viable phase out program in place. The Hobie 20 was very popular for a while, and the Formula boats have stolen it's thunder now. Hobie was nice enough to bring back the H17 for another year, although I have not seen one newer than 1994.

The problem is not the companies, although HCA's demands are not condusive to catamaran sailing as a whole. The bigger problem is new sailors. Where are they? Hobie and Performace can come out with all the boats they want to. In ten-twenty years, who will buy them?

Both companies really have to think about taking a page from surfing and windsurfing. Companies like Billabong and Quicksilver are always backing movie makers. If you want to be an "Action Sport" you have to show the action to the younger people. Market freedom and excitement. When I was 14, I could not wait to jump on my Hobie 14 because I would be out on my own away from my mom and dad. We found that boat for $750. Cheaper than most good surfboards.

The only thing most people know about Hobie is surfboards and clothes. Performance is even worse... I get looks like I am from outer space.

So moral of the story. Boat design means nothing if you don't have anyone to sell to. In the future, the way things are looking, their will be less sailors. That equates to less money for the boat companies and the end of sailing organizations.

Re: Innovative? [Re: Keith] #31566
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Keith,
I think that I am right in saying that the Hobie 20 is a licenced copy of the Hurricane 5.9, designed and built by the Spitfire co-designer and builder, Reg White.


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Re: Spitfire Sailing Video [Re: grob] #31567
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Gareth,
My two sons are now 26 and 24. The eldest was always interested and was my full time crew from the age of 12, until he got his own Dart 18. He now races a Spitfire. The second was more nervous ("Put it down dad" if I flew a hull)and was 15 before he asked to crew. He crewed for me on a Dart 18 and after that for three years on the Hawk. He is now a senior sailing Instructor.
I don't think that you will have to do any pushing !


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Re: Innovative? [Re: Dermot] #31568
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Dermot,
Don't know, so I'll agree!

But it may be why I always thought the boat/design was due for a Tornado-style update, ie self tacking jib, fat-head main, spinnaker. A little one-design class rejuvenation/resurrection and excitement builder.

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