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Don't do "The Pelican" with your snuffer! #47348
04/12/05 04:41 PM
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I have a Nacra F18 with a spinnaker and front snuffer. While sailing in about 15 knots on a broad reach and moderate ocean swells (3-4 ft), I decided to use the main and jib only, surfing the offshore ocean swells. It would have been ideal conditions for my spinnaker, but I just felt like surfing the waves without it.

After about 2 minutes, I accidently had my snuffer do an impression of a pelican scooping its beak into the water. The front of the snuffer somehow got underwater. This caused the snuffer pole to break in half.

Since I am new to spinnaker sailing, I was not aware that this could be a problem. In the future, I will be very aware of the potential for this to happen. You should be too.

The good news was that back at the dock a sharp-eyed friend noticed that the broken pole was the same as the upper section of a Laser mast, which he was throwing away. I primed it, painted it flat black, sawed it to fit and it works like the original!

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Re: Don't do "The Pelican" with your snuffer! [Re: spfechner] #47349
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Was it an end pole or midpole snuffer?
In the Tybee 500 last year we broke a spin pole in half while stuffing the bows hard, and it was a straight aluminum pole without a snuffer end! So get a midpole, and keep those bows up...

BTW Using the spin will keep the bows up, as the NACRA is hard to keep up on a tight jib reach in those conditions. If you are reaching, keep your hand on the jib sheet and be ready to blow it at a moments notice.

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Re: Don't do "The Pelican" with your snuffer! [Re: dave mosley] #47350
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My boat has a front snuffer. Thanks for the suggestion about blowing the jib sheet.

Re: Don't do "The Pelican" with your snuffer! [Re: spfechner] #47351
05/23/05 10:32 AM
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Was it an end pole or midpole snuffer?
In the Tybee 500 last year we broke a spin pole in half while stuffing the bows hard, and it was a straight aluminum pole without a snuffer end! So get a midpole, and keep those bows up...


yeah well...you should also add that we DID have the spinnaker up at the time but we stuffed so hard into the back of a wave that we put the bottom of the spinnaker under water which lead to the broken pole and shredded spinnaker.


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Re: Don't do "The Pelican" with your snuffer! [Re: Jake] #47352
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good point!!!


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Re: Don't do "The Pelican" with your snuffer! [Re: Jake] #47353
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Was it an end pole or midpole snuffer?
In the Tybee 500 last year we broke a spin pole in half while stuffing the bows hard, and it was a straight aluminum pole without a snuffer end! So get a midpole, and keep those bows up...


yeah well...you should also add that we DID have the spinnaker up at the time but we stuffed so hard into the back of a wave that we put the bottom of the spinnaker under water which lead to the broken pole and shredded spinnaker.


I did something similar a while back on my Hurricane 59 - Twin wiring with the kite up in fairly big winds on the lake (we get short square waves which are a nightmare) and put the bows under, and the pole and the front of the kite, and the front beam and the pole survived (much to my surprise), it did make a hell of a twang when it came out mind - we took the kite down PDQ.


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Re: Don't do "The Pelican" with your snuffer! [Re: scooby_simon] #47354
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we kept her flying after this...we were the last to be flying a spinnaker (never took it down for the sleigh ride).

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Re: Don't do "The Pelican" with your snuffer! [Re: Jake] #47355
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Yeah, Jake, but that`s not a proper "Pelican", I can still see your snuffer chute !
See attached pic, courtesy of the Spitfire web-site. Now THEY know how to do the Pelican..

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Re: Don't do "The Pelican" with your snuffer! [Re: Steve_Kwiksilver] #47357
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Dont know about the pelican, but they are definately deep sea fishing! Wonder if they saved it?




Re: Don't do "The Pelican" with your snuffer! [Re: Rolf_Nilsen] #47358
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Having sailed a Spitfire, I would say most likley they did !


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Re: Don't do "The Pelican" with your snuffer! [Re: scooby_simon] #47359
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Well, that's amazing. I have heard about wave piercing, but that Spitfire looks like they have taken it a bit to far

Re: Don't do "The Pelican" with your snuffer! [Re: Rolf_Nilsen] #47360
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Indeed, My opinion in all these is that if both crew stay put you can get most things back - I had my Hurricane deeper than that and it came back - we had water up to the first batten on the mainsail !


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