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Taipan cost? #53489
07/18/05 09:09 PM
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Why does honorable old/Taipan 4.9 cost more than honorable old/Taipan 5.7 in classifieds.

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Re: Taipan cost? [Re: BobG] #53490
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There is a high market for f16's?

if the demand is high, the price will go up.

Re: Taipan cost? [Re: BobG] #53491
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Why does honorable old/Taipan 4.9 cost more than honorable old/Taipan 5.7 in classifieds.

While the Taipan 4.7 has gained popularity in the US the 5.7 never did. There were only 3 5.7's imported to the US and only about 35 total built worldwide I believe.
In my opinion there are two kinds of catsailors - the racers and the pleasure sailors. The racers are the ones willing to spend the big bucks to have the latest, most competative boat they can afford that is being sailed one-design or Formula. Pleasure sailors want to spend as little as possible, so as to not cut into the beer budget
Thus the Taipan 5.7 is a boat without a country - the racer's don't want it because they can't race one design with it and it's way to expensive for what most pleasure sailors are willing to spend for their hobby. The 4.9 on the other hand has enough boats here in the US to race class in some areas and F16 in others. It can also be sailed solo or with crew, thus justifiying it's higher price.
The Taipan 5.7 can only be sailed Portsmouth here, it's 80 lbs too light to be an F18.


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Re: Taipan cost? [Re: Lance] #53492
07/19/05 06:58 AM
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The 4.9 on the other hand has enough boats here in the US to race class in some areas and F16 in others.


Really? Where? Has there been a fleet of 4.9 or F16 in the US? I know there was talk of having an F16 Fleet at Spring Fever one year, but did it happen? If so, has it happened again? Just curious.


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Re: Taipan cost? [Re: sparky] #53493
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The 4.9 on the other hand has enough boats here in the US to race class in some areas and F16 in others.


Really? Where? Has there been a fleet of 4.9 or F16 in the US? I know there was talk of having an F16 Fleet at Spring Fever one year, but did it happen? If so, has it happened again? Just curious.


The F16 has been in a slow build for years in Florida, USA.
They also had a fleet at the JPOR in June. No, it's not a H16 fleet but it clearly is gaining in popularity. Most of the new interest is being created by the Blade built in the US by Vector Works Marine.

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Say hello to ... [Re: sparky] #53494
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Go to the page :

http://www.geocities.com/f16hpclass/SpringFever_2002_pictures.html


And say hello too !

Kirt Simmons / Ken Marshacks / Michael Coffman
Kenneth and Ann Marie Newbury
Jerry and Hilary Kailin
Chuck Harnden / Brian Farrar
J.P.Ayers / John Riley
Bill Moran / Wouter Hijink

These sailors made up the Formula 16 HP class at Springfever 2002


I'm sorry to inform you that we have only one 1 picture of an I-17 and only 2 of A-cats (of which one is Dave Carlson foiling catnip = banned by A-cat rules these days).

I can't quite remember why we have so little pics of these makes (Notch, notch, wink, wink)

Wouter


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Re: Say hello to ... [Re: Wouter] #53495
07/19/05 02:43 PM
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I'm sorry to inform you that we have only one 1 picture of an I-17 and only 2 of A-cats (of which one is Dave Carlson foiling catnip = banned by A-cat rules these days).

I can't quite remember why we have so little pics of these makes (Notch, notch, wink, wink)

Wouter,

Do you think that the "F16 HP" background on the link you provided has anything to do with it? Your link contains this quote "This page shows all the pictures of acceptable quality that were taken by Kirt Simmons of the Formula 16 HP group at the Spring Fever 2002 regatta." It is not surprising to me that there would be few pictures of the I-17R or A-Class boats! Kurt was taking pictures to promote the Formula 16 HP group!

I had forgotten that Jerry and Hilary Kailin had taken their T4.9 to Spring Fever in 2002. Jerry traded his Taipan 4.9 in to the local dealer for a used I-17R later that year. He was the one who said that he thought the I-17R is a superior boat to the T4.9, especially when it came to single-handed spinnaker sailing. Jerry is the only person I know who has owned and raced both boats.


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Re: Taipan cost? [Re: BobG] #53496
07/19/05 03:53 PM
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One thing to consider about the Taipan is build quality. I recently sailed with a Taipan F16 that had been built about 12+ years ago. With the exception of some wear and tear on the hardware, the hulls, beams, rudder system looked like they were new. The boat was incredibly solid and stiff and could have been passed off as a 1 year old boat with how it looked and sailed. The build quality AHPC sends out is exceptional, and I would expect a long competitive life from their products. So besides the supply/demand issues, that also might factor into the price.


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Re: Taipan cost? [Re: BobG] #53497
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Simple mate. Someone buys a 5.7, sails it once scares themselves to death, then sells it real cheap the next weekend. The fear is half the fun if you ask me!

Re: Say hello to ... [Re: sparky] #53498
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I had forgotten that Jerry and Hilary Kailin had taken their T4.9 to Spring Fever in 2002. ...


So you DID know that springfever 2002 with F16's happened !

So how do we now value your statement :"... I know there was talk of having an F16 Fleet at Spring Fever one year, but did it happen? If so, has it happened again? ... Just curious"

Can we expect any more sudden recollections ?

And don't try to chance the subject again.

Wouter

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Re: Taipan cost?" Scare yourself to Death"? [Re: paul57man] #53499
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Funny, that must be on "Ricks" 6th and final video "Scared to Death and how to get good dollar value for what is left of the pile on the trailer"! Not yet released..........For some reason I do not see Rick White selling a Taipan 5.7 because he was afraid of it.

Re: Taipan cost? [Re: sparky] #53500
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Really? Where? Has there been a fleet of 4.9 or F16 in the US? I know there was talk of having an F16 Fleet at Spring Fever one year, but did it happen? If so, has it happened again? Just curious.


There's 3 Taipan 4.9s that live at the Gulfport (FL) Yacht Club. There are also several others in the state. I believe there have been numerous races down here if FL in the last year or two where they have had enough to race as a class.


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Re: a few facts [Re: Wouter] #53501
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Here is a "recollection" for you.

There were five taipan 4.9s(dpn 65.3) at the 2002 Spring Fever regatta.
There were two Isotopes(dpn 74.2), J.P. Ayers and John Riley, starting with them.
There were seven Tigers and six F18HTs.

There was one f16/taipan at the 2003 Spring Fever, racing in the Open-A Spin Class.
There were no Isotopes.
There were nine Tigers.

There were six Isotopes at the 2004 Spring Fever, racing as Isotopes.
There were no f16/taipans.
There were 19 F18s.

There were four Isotopes at the 2005 Spring Fever Regatta.
There were no f16/taipans.
There were 16 F18s.

Do you recollect who won the 2004 f16 North American Championships.

Where are the 2005 Championships being held?

Re: a few facts [Re: samevans] #53502
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There were five taipan 4.9s(dpn 65.3) at the 2002 Spring Fever regatta.
There were two Isotopes(dpn 74.2), J.P. Ayers and John Riley, starting with them.



So you are actually confirming what I just wrote.

Your point ?


Wouter

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Re: a few facts [Re: samevans] #53503
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Sam,
The growth in the F18 fleet looks healthy except for
the last year where they dropped off by 3 (ie 19 to 16).

Do you think the F18s growth is begining to decline
or stagnate or do you think this is just a hickup.

Globaly the growth to date seems to be very solid.
As you have obviously been studying the scene are
they in the USA to stay. Interested in your take
on the situation.

Regards,
Phill

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Re: a few facts [Re: phill] #53504
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Phill,

The numbers dropped in 2005 because the Tiger worlds started the day after Spring Fever. A lot of boats had to be shipped to CA well before the event.

Re: a few facts [Re: Dlennard] #53505
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And the F18 North Americans is poised to be the largest yet. It's going to be a multimedia insanity with online live video from the starts and tons of info.

http://northamericans.naf18.com



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Re: a few facts [Re: Jake] #53506
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Jake,
That sounds great.
What site will be hosting the web cam?
Regards,
Phill


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There is no such thing as a quick fix and I've never had free lunch!

Re: a few facts [Re: phill] #53507
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What site will be hosting the web cam?


The excitement starts August 7th and will continue through August 12th with the live web cast of the F18NAs.
Can’t wait for the action to start? Then visit www.F18NAOnline.com now for teaser video’s on the R33 and the F18NAs.


Les Gallagher
Re: english lesson [Re: Wouter] #53508
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KW,
AS USUAL, you only see what you want to see.
No, I was NOT confirming what you just wrote.
You DID NOT state that two of the boats racing with the f16s were underpowered, non-spinnaker, over-weight Isotopes.
As the handicap shows, the isotope doesn't have a chance in he!! of winning an f16 regatta.
You DID try to mislead the reader into thinking there were more true f16s than actually showed up.
This is just another case of your lying about the f16 class.

You need to grandfather some more totally non-competitive boats to boost your numbers.

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