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Re: First photo of new M&M Nacra Formula 18 [Re: Robi] #61306
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wont be hard for me...

You have to always present the sunnier side of the situation....

"well honey, at least its not a motorcycle and its something that we can do together! I was thinking of all the time we could spend together on the beach when I bought it."

Just dont tell her that "spending time on the beach" means you rigging, and her drinking mojitos.

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Re: First photo of new M&M Nacra Formula 18 [Re: Jake] #61307
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The most active classes are going to see the most design iterations as the manufacturers fight for dominance. But again, like I said before, while the changes are exciting and revolutionary in appearance, the effort on part of the manufacturer and designers is fighting for a 1-2% (or less) advantage on the water. I would estimate that my skill at sailing these boats is extracting anywhere between 80% and 95% (when in our sweet spot of wind strength) out of the boat. Will 1% help me? Maybe...but not as much as going out to practice practice practice with the boat that I have.


Word!


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Re: First photo of new M&M Nacra Formula 18 [Re: Robi] #61308
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Convincing your wife about buying a F18 ?
Wake up please ;-)
Convicing our wifes to purchase ANY beachcat for that matter!!!


Well, if she's on the front of the boat it's a lot easier. If she aint on the the front of your boat, then you are on your own.

Ding


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Re: First photo of new M&M Nacra Formula 18 [Re: David Ingram] #61309
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Tell her it gets great gas mileage and never needs tires or oil changes, just an occasional tune up and new clothes.


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Re: First photo of new M&M Nacra Formula 18 [Re: arbo06] #61310
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Yea It's That Easy!!

Re: First photo of new M&M Nacra Formula 18 [Re: CraigO] #61311
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Okay, put the shoe on the other foot, guys. How do I convince my husband that I need a new trampoline, sail, mainsheet and blocks? (And I'm talking about my boat, not my body.)

In a two-boat household, whose boat do you think gets priority? I guess this is why guys don't REALLY want their wives getting so interested in sailing that they want their own boats -- doubles all the costs.

Two boat families... [Re: Mary] #61312
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Hey Mary,

Make him swap boats all the time. At a regatta he sails boat 1 and you sail boat 2. At the next regatta he has to sail boat 2 and you sail boat 1. Each regatta you switch. That would force him to keep both boats pretty similar and current.

Or maybe like the old cake slicing thing. With two kids the one slices the cake and the other gets to pick the slice he wants. It encourages the kid doing the slicing to make equal size slices. So if Rick is the one maintaining the boats then you are the one who gets to pick which boat you sail each time.

Re: Two boat families... [Re: Jamie Diamond] #61313
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Good idea, Jamie.

Re: Two boat families... [Re: Mary] #61314
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Just pirate Rick's boat on the water. I'm sure you can take him

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Re: First photo of new M&M Nacra Formula 18 [Re: Boomer] #61315
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Convincing your wife about buying a F18 ?
Wake up please ;-)
Boomer,Oranje Natuurlijke. I've got a T-Cat of that era on the rack now ready for Aviation Orange, graphics coming later.

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Re: Two boat families... [Re: Mary] #61316
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Mary are you trying to say you want a sewing machine for christmas

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Re: Two boat families... [Re: BobG] #61317
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Yeah, actually I do. How perceptive of you.

Re: Two boat families... [Re: Mary] #61318
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A sewing machine with triple-stage zig-zag, 12inch arm and walking foot would be a very welcome sight under the tree for others also..

Re: First photo of new M&M Nacra Formula 18 [Re: BobG] #61319
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Hey david,

Hoeveel ken jij van de Nederlandse taal ? Heb je een Nederlandse familie achtergrond ?

Wouter



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Re: First photo of new M&M Nacra Formula 18 [Re: Wouter] #61320
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Jy moet presies se met watter David Jy wil praat. Daar is heelwat Davids in die wereld wat graag n soort Nederlands praat.

Re: First photo of new M&M Nacra Formula 18 [Re: davidtilley] #61321
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David Tilley,
Van waar af kom jy dat jy so mooi die taal ken ? Ek dog jy was `n Amerikaner. Daar is nou `n hele groep manse wat irriteerd gaan word omdat hul glad nie verstaan waaroor ons praat !

Re: First photo of new M&M Nacra Formula 18 [Re: Steve_Kwiksilver] #61322
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David Tilley,
Van waar af kom jy dat jy so mooi die taal ken ? Ek dog jy was `n Amerikaner. Daar is nou `n hele groep manse wat irriteerd gaan word omdat hul glad nie verstaan waaroor ons praat !

"David Tilley,
Of where bowl jy that do jy so nicely know that language? Ek of dog jy was ` n Amerikaner. There nou ` n complete group of man are what goes irritated become
because wrap in nie understand waaroor our praat!"

See ! we know what you are saying
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Re: First photo of new M&M Nacra Formula 18 [Re: Dermot] #61323
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Ooh, Dermot, that sounds gaelic to me (but my ribs are sore from laughing !! it`s even funnier if you translate directly to english (and no, it`s not Dutch either.)
I guess it`s safer to stick to English on this forum, bad enough we often mis-understand eachother due to perception differences caused by our varying understanding of the same thing.
oh and on the original topic, I`ll agree with whoever said it looks very ... bouyant (I think Maughan ?)
Looks like they used a new building process where you inflate the hull before it cures, and they forgot to stop at the correct pressure.
Does look like it can handle more weight and be pushed quite hard before the bow goes under though. Does seem a bit worrying that they are launching a new hull shape though, will that not make the last Nacra F18`s a bit obsolete ? And how does that work out when a "Nacra F18 Nationals" is held, all boats are meant to sail off the same rating but there will be performance differences between hull shapes. In my opinion this is vastly different from the Hobie strategy, which seems to be working.

Re: First photo of new M&M Nacra Formula 18 [Re: Steve_Kwiksilver] #61324
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Does seem a bit worrying that they are launching a new hull shape though, will that not make the last Nacra F18`s a bit obsolete ? And how does that work out when a "Nacra F18 Nationals" is held, all boats are meant to sail off the same rating but there will be performance differences between hull shapes.


We've already been over the obsolete thing...show me the obvious speed advantage before you start calling my boat "obsolete"! I still believe the differences will be pretty minor to most sailors.

How they are going to handle the Nacra Nats and Worlds is a good question...but to me, I think they have clearly committed to be an international Formula 18 boat without regard for the manufacturer class at this point...however, just because the hull has a different shape, doesn't mean that the older boats are worthless and uncompetitive (see previous posts).

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In my opinion this is vastly different from the Hobie strategy, which seems to be working.


Heh? Working? While they may have more active "Hobie Tiger Class" boats they're platform has remained the same because it has a good track record at major F18 events. If they slip in the results to some of the new development do you think we'll see a new F18 from Hobie? I feel pretty certain that we would...boy, wouldn't that mess up the "strategy"? Exactly which strategy are you referring too? HCA's fence straddling to maintain a Hobie one design class and a competitive F18 platform? This has worked thus far because there have not been major changes in the Tiger platform to date but they have had to make uncharacteristic class modifications to keep the Tiger class in phase with the Tiger F18 development.

In my opinion, I don't see why I would go to great lengths to participate in a one manufacturer class with my F18 when I have six times as many and four times as large F18 events around the country. Part of the reason that I chose the boat I sail on currently, however, is because the manufacturer class rules mirror those of F18.


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Re: First photo of new M&M Nacra Formula 18 [Re: Steve_Kwiksilver] #61325
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No it is Afrikaan, nie ?

I can read and understand it pretty well, but if I use that grammar and spelling in any report overhere I'll be looking for a new job for sure.

Afrikaans and Dutch have drifted some ways apart over the last 200 years.

Wouter


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