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#68070 02/28/06 09:43 AM 02/28/06 09:43 AM |
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Posts: 351 Santiago, Chile | About creating interest, my opinion is that teaching as a first step is not the answer. It is necessary to capture people's attention and interest first and I think a big issue is to let them know that it is something simple and that there is no need to have a previous background or special habilities. With that understood, instruction (or self instruction) may follow. I think a big reason why people choose motor boats instead of sailboats is that it seems to be fun and simple enough for anyone.
I lived for 6 years in a town in Chile called Los Angeles, where once a year a beneficial institution organized what they called "popular flights", where people could pay a very reasonable fee to get a tour of the area in a small airplane. The institution would get funds, the airplane clubs would perhaps get a piece too, but would also have an opportunity to show their activiy and perhaps do some free flying hours for their members and who knows what other benefits (don´t know much about flying, except having experienced a couple of flights with them). A similar idea could be applied to sailing. I think a key point is not make sailing the only or the main purpose of the activity (in the case of "popular flights" it was a benefical purpose), because this way you eliminate the need of having at least a minor previous interest in sailing, which could reduce the amount of people and let out some potential new sailors. | | | Re: How do you teach adults how to sail?
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Posts: 1,187 38.912, -95.37 | Mr. Medwell,
Awesome stuff! Thanks very much. We're trying to expose youth (40 and under) who may have missed the "glory" days, the wonders of sailing. You're suggestion of a three day course is what I needed to hear. With americans so seemingly hard pressed for time, I'd probably scare off 90% of the people we'd be lucky to get show up for a "learn to sail" day by trying to cram too much information in to their heads in one shot.
In trying to get a more streamlined version of what you're doing (i.e. one day), I'd like to hear suggestions of what to leave in and what to leave out.
As has been stated, the student will know immediately whether or not they're hooked on sailing. An important part, as teachers, would be making the follow up opportunities available.
John H16, H14
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Posts: 1,187 38.912, -95.37 | In trying to get a more streamlined version of what you're doing (i.e. one day), I'd like to hear suggestions of what to leave in and what to leave out. or, How do you teach "I want it all, and I want it NOW", American, adults to sail
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#68076 02/28/06 03:37 PM 02/28/06 03:37 PM |
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Posts: 12,310 South Carolina | or, How do you teach "I want it all, and I want it NOW", American, adults to sail Set the chute in about 15 knots...that'll do it. It apparently worked for Wendy. There are many different personalities with respect to adventure and new challenges - no one single solution will work for everyone.
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Posts: 3,114 BANNED | or, How do you teach "I want it all, and I want it NOW", American, adults to sail Equate sailing with the beer keg. Worked for me | | | Re: How do you teach adults how to sail?
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#68079 02/28/06 08:57 PM 02/28/06 08:57 PM |
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Posts: 3,348 | . My current plan is to: a. learn how not to kill myself or anyone else. b. get a boat (say an F16 maybe) that I can handle alone if I need to. c. Spend time on it. What do you think? Will that work? [/quote] Absolutely! Especially the F-16 part!  Sailing in very light air can be awfully frustrating; sailing in very heavy air can be intimidating and a lot of work! So, at least in the beginning, work with experienced sailors as much as possible.
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#68083 03/01/06 08:25 AM 03/01/06 08:25 AM |
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Posts: 1,669 Melbourne, Australia | With americans so seemingly hard pressed for time, I'd probably scare off 90% of the people we'd be lucky to get show up for a "learn to sail" day by trying to cram too much information in to their heads in one shot.
In trying to get a more streamlined version of what you're doing (i.e. one day), I'd like to hear suggestions of what to leave in and what to leave out.
This course was designed more for larger classes..... To streamline it, I'd would run the same format, however work with very small numbers ie 2 to 6 people or 1 to 3 crews. One thing I would like to do when I get older and start to wind down my sailing is to start up a part time sailing school possibly at our club.... beginer classes on a Saturday with an advance course on a sunday...... 3 day course (3 weekends) for beginners and repeat every month during the sailing season.... Advance courses longer and more customised to a group. Cheers | | | Re: How do you teach adults how to sail?
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#68085 03/01/06 05:22 PM 03/01/06 05:22 PM |
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Posts: 169 Upstate, South Carolina | In trying to get a more streamlined version of what you're doing (i.e. one day), I'd like to hear suggestions of what to leave in and what to leave out. I just had my first sailing lesson today. Can I just make a suggestion about the 'one day' thing? ...You've GOT to be kidding me. I learned so much today. I feel like I need to stop up my ears to keep it all from leaking out. It was a beautiful day and I had such a good time but I have so much to learn. David Mosley taught me today. I have to say he is pretty patient. There were a couple of times I winced thinking that he should probably be trying to find something to throw at me but nothing ever came wizzing through the air. I just can't wait to go again! Tomorrow is supposed to be another perfect day... Sometimes having to go to work really stinks. | | | Re: How do you teach adults how to sail?
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Posts: 3,348 | Sunny:
More, please. I'm very interested in learning about your impressions and reactions. What did he have you actively doing? Was it too much, too little?
How about a diary of the learning process! I think it would be fascinating!
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#68087 03/01/06 08:27 PM 03/01/06 08:27 PM |
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Posts: 169 Upstate, South Carolina | Sunny:
More, please. I'm very interested in learning about your impressions and reactions. What did he have you actively doing? Was it too much, too little?
How about a diary of the learning process! I think it would be fascinating! Okay, Understand that this is my second time on a cat and the first attempt at undertanding it. An earlier post Kaos encouraged teachers to start at the begining. That is really where David started today and I really appreciated it. First we put the boat together. I was happy to do that because I could put a name to the ropes and see how they were strung through and attached. That made what he asked me to do later make more sense. Please don't assume that meant that I had everything straight. I didn't. I think it is helpful to call the ropes by their proper name along with a discription. Say 'the blue jib sheet' or 'the red spinnaker sheet' By the end of the lesson I didn't need the color anymore and he dropped it. I found the Spinnaker Halyard to be hard to grip because it was so much thinner than the others. I didn't expect that and it slipped through my hands some which made my set too slow. I got to work the spinnaker for some time. I am glad he didn't ask anything else of me at the time because I had to really pay attention and adjust it often in the oscillating wind to make it the way he told me it should look. I know it seems silly but when asked to 'let the jib out' it seemed like I should pull the sheet toward the outside of the boat and when I let the sheet slip toward the middle of the boat that sounds like 'sheeting in' to me. It took me a while to change my mind about what that meant. This is where helping put the boat together made a difference. He tried to explain the angle of a tack to the wind. I understand in concept. I can picture how I might draw it on paper However, we were out for about two hours and this was too much. I was still trying to figure out how the boat worked mechanically. I am not a stupid girl but I was having a hard time absorbing it at that point. I think another hour of 'the mechanics' of the boat and I could have been ready to think about wind. I have been thinking about what I was asked to do and his explanations since. I have been picturing what the sails were supposed to look like and what I did to make them look that way. I am ready to think about something else now. But trust me, for the first two hours, this was enough. I had a wonderful time and my resolve is set. This is for me. | | | Re: How do you teach adults how to sail?
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#68088 03/01/06 08:36 PM 03/01/06 08:36 PM |
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Posts: 5,582 “an island in the Pacifi... | Typically the better the sailor the more difficult it will be for that person to teach. The reason is being able to relate to the person who wants to learn to sail who knows "nothing". The excellent sailor knows "too much". The challenge for the better sailor is to go back to the very beginning where you knew nothing. Gotta disagree with your statement. If you can find an experienced/excellent/long time sailor that can teach without immediately drowning the students with sailing jargon then you've got a keeper. The ones that can't are showing off their knowledge and not teaching anything. US Sail Level 2 Instructor US Sail Level 3 Coach | | | Re: How do you teach adults how to sail?
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Posts: 3,348 | I sounds to me like you are in very good hands! I hope you will continue the diary, I enjoy it very much! Thank you, you make me smile! | | |
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