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Eagle 20! #86336
10/08/06 10:43 PM
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Everyone, have a look at this website: www.eagle-cat.com. They are undoubtedly the fastest one design sailboats in the world

Isn't the Eagle 20 a beautiful boat?

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Re: Eagle 20! [Re: pitchpolejason] #86337
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Very nice boats but 'undoubtedly' ????

The M20 whilst the numbers show otherwise, has yet to proove itself against the Tornado. The Eagle 20 likewise.


Re: Eagle 20! [Re: Tornado_ALIVE] #86338
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Absolutely beautiful, but I can't imagine what one will cost out the door (in the US) by the time you get the spi kit, trailer, etc...

Very impressive though!

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I guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder. To me, the Eagle 20 is ugly. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />

Re: Eagle 20! [Re: Mary] #86340
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Nikita F18 from the builders of the Eagle Cats

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Re: Eagle 20! [Re: Tornado_ALIVE] #86341
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I noticed the F18 hull design on their website. Looks interesting. Any reviews on the design yet?

Re: Eagle 20! [Re: Wet1] #86342
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I think "interesting" is a polite way of expressing it. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

Anyone with more than a "Hydrodynamics 101" course who can say more about the theorethical advantages of the design? It looks very "wrong" if you are after a fast boat.

Re: Eagle 20! [Re: Rolf_Nilsen] #86343
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wow...that is an interesting design. I'm not sure about "wrong" though. Obviously, they are trying to achieve a hull that will plane but with some rocker in it to handle chop. I can't imagine the price on the thing though.

The daggerboard wells appear to be pretty far forward from the current line of designs and the shrouds are WAY forward.


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another upside-down cat.

As a side note, I was on Lake Lanier this weekend doing foredeck on a J29, and there were two a-cats rocketting around in the light air amongst all the lead-sleds.

They were definitely the topic of discussion on the boat before the start, as some of the guys were curious as to how they were moving so fast.

My response was that "when you can pick the boat up on your back and carry it to the beach, it doesn't take much umph to make it go."

Then they proceeded to tell me that the VWM XJ looked "upside down"

Everyone wanted one though.

Re: Eagle 20! [Re: Tornado_ALIVE] #86345
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A-Cat, Internationale Konstruktions-Einheitsklasse
Design: Nils Bunkenburg, e-mail: nilsbunkenburg@t-online.de Material für Formenbau: Ampreg 20 , CR 3400, RC200T , Material für Serienbau: Carbon-Prepregs, Core-Cell Schaum -Cell Schaum
Werften: Diverse... Anfragen an Nils Bunkenburg
Hier gibt es weitere Infos: www.nikitacat.de

Bemerkung: Interessanter Formenbau dieser hoch entwickelten Konstruktions-Einheitsklasse. Durch das Integrieren der Aufnahme für die Holme in die Form ergibt sich in der Serie eine extrem hohe Steifigkeit. Dem unerwünschten Unterschneiden des Leerumpfes wird so weiter entgegen gewirkt.

mehr Bilder hier



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Re: Eagle 20! [Re: Erez] #86346
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Erez,

No idea what that says, but I was also thinking the F18 hull looks very similar to the A2. From what I understand, the A2 is quite a performer and is no more prone to sticking the bows than any other current design.

Re: Eagle 20! [Re: Jake] #86347
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wow...that is an interesting design. I'm not sure about "wrong" though. Obviously, they are trying to achieve a hull that will plane but with some rocker in it to handle chop. I can't imagine the price on the thing though.

The daggerboard wells appear to be pretty far forward from the current line of designs and the shrouds are WAY forward.


The bottom shape of the boat looks similar to the new A-Class design, "The Tool". It is a u-shape rather than a semi-circular shape which has been the standard underwater shape for the last 15 years in the A-class. The goal is try to get a planing shape to work that is still low drag in lighter air. I think the jury is still out.

Pete Melvin brought a new A2 to the NA's in Bristol that had forward beam, daggerboard wells, and shrouds moved further aft. We really did not see any performance difference (positive or negative) in the light to moderate air of the event and Lars Guck was obviously not slow on the older A2 design. The placement of shrouds and daggerboards on the Nikita F-18 looks similar to the A2 but I believe it's hard to tell in a photo like this in a comparative sense to other boats.

Bob Hodges

Re: Eagle 20! [Re: Wet1] #86348
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Well, I can't read my post also <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />
how ever the boat in the pics is not A2,
It is A class boat designed by the same designer of the Nikita [Linked Image]

http://www.baca.be/photos/gallery/nikita.html

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Re: Eagle 20! [Re: Erez] #86349
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It is A class boat designed by the same designer of the Nikita


And is one of the 2 designers involved with the Flyer A Class.


Re: Eagle 20! [Re: Tornado_ALIVE] #86350
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Are they manufacturing them or just testing at the moment? Is their pricing going to be more in line with their Eagle or will it be competitive with other F18s? Does it have a measurement certificate? (that pole doesn't look legal - could be the camera perspective).


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Re: Eagle 20! [Re: Jake] #86351
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There are no measurement stickers on the sails.

It does appear to feature something I've been an advocate of for a while, a track for the kite sheet, to allow you to adjust sheeting angle independently of the luff tension.

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I believe 3 are built and are still in the test faze


Re: Eagle 20! [Re: Tornado_ALIVE] #86353
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Nils Bunkenburg also designed the Hobie FX-One and Fox,
so is this what the new Tiger would look like if they hired him again?

Re: Eagle 20! [Re: Tony_F18] #86354
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Hobie first has to pay Nils for the work he has done for them in the past.

Wouter


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Re: Eagle 20! [Re: Wouter] #86355
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are you saying that he's still waiting on a check from Hobie for his previous designs?

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