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Re: To trap or not to trap - THAT IS THE QUESTION! [Re: Robi] #91513
12/21/06 02:56 PM
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But for me, going out without moving the tiller is hard, I seem to always bear away when going out on the wire. ALWAYS. I have been concentrating on NOT doing that lately. That is why I am back at baby stepping on the boat.


The trick I use to avoid moving the tiller while transitioning from the boat to the trapeze is to lay the tiller extension down so it rests on the top of the hull. I press down so that I touch both the tiller extension and hull with my rear hand, keeping the tiller from moving. I kinda lock down the tiller by simultaneously grabbing the hull with one hand. For the 2 seconds I need to transition this seems to work pretty well.

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Re: To trap or not to trap - THAT IS THE QUESTION! [Re: fin.] #91514
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I don't think they actually meant the block is attached to the beam. Robi set mine up for me. It is just a turning block attached to the tramp, with a bungee, near the the rear cross bar. The purpose is to keep the spin sheet from sliding out of reach.

I too am having problems sliding across the boat and plan to add some non-skid to the deck.


My only purpose in placing the spin block near the rear cross beam is to have an anchor point that is near the rear of the boat, rather than the front of the boat. When the boat slows quickly, this provides stability for me on the wire that a forward point does not. A bungee cord does not seem like good idea for attaching the block for this purpose.

My rear block is a snatch block (one that I can open as needed to add or remove the spin sheet). I used this type block so I could switch the position if I had a crew member, or in case I needed more spin sheet slack.

Having said that,I admit I am no expert in this solo spin while trapping subject. I am here to learn.

Re: To trap or not to trap - THAT IS THE QUESTION! [Re: spfechner] #91515
12/21/06 03:23 PM
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spfechner :
Do you actually use the rear block? As in put a load on it or handle the sheet from it? I dont, the rear beam block is only there to pick up the slacked sheet. Some here use blocks (myself) and others use stainless rings. Both work pretty darn good. Its all about keeping a tidy tramp which helps keep things out of the way.

Re: To trap or not to trap - THAT IS THE QUESTION! [Re: spfechner] #91516
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I'm sure you're right regarding the bungee. In my case, I haven't trapped under spinnaker, and continue sheeting as before, i.e. to the block at the forward cross bar.

Re: To trap or not to trap - THAT IS THE QUESTION! [Re: spfechner] #91517
12/21/06 05:35 PM
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This is what I was referring to. A block on the rear beam that is handling load, so as to NOT pull the crew forward while trapped under spin. Seems most useful under 1-up sailing.

Any pics? Does it interfere with skipper? traveller?


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Re: To trap or not to trap - THAT IS THE QUESTION! [Re: tshan] #91518
12/21/06 06:59 PM
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Mine just looks like this one. Same exact thing, only difference is the block is ronstan.

I have no idea about fixing the block to the rear beam. BUT if I were to, I will need a longer spin sheet. Although that is an easy fix as I can install some pig tails. OBVIOUSLY, I will need a longer sheet in order to trap out with spin up. Sometimes when I am trapped out with spin up, the bungee cord is extended maybe 10 to 12 inches and goes back and forth as I sheet in and out.

Re: To trap or not to trap - THAT IS THE QUESTION! [Re: tshan] #91519
12/22/06 01:18 AM
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Hi all,

I would imagine you may want to avoid running spin sheet to back beam, as skipper and crew if 2 up will be moving over the top of it every tack and in and out off trap.

I have allways thought one of the advantages of having the spin sheeting off the side stay, was that it stayed out of the way up forward.

I have no problem with being pulled forward by the spin sheet, 2 ratchets fix this <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />, the load on the sheet is so light all you do is hold it in your hand. No load pulling forward until you need to pull the sheet in that is <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />.

I have tried bungee systems to take up the slack but found they made the feel on the sheet strange. We use a bungee with a ring on it about a foot long, tied to the clew of the spinnaker, which the return chord passes through, this causes the sheets to be pulled into the chute earlier than they otherwise would, taking up some slack. But if your'e sheets are long enough for trapping off the back off the boat you still get some slack on deck, but not enough to be a problem.

Best Wishes for Xmas.

Regards Gary. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Re: To trap or not to trap - THAT IS THE QUESTION! [Re: ] #91520
12/23/06 03:45 AM
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Hi all,

hopefully a picture is worth a thousand words, attached is a picture of bungee attached to clew of spinnaker.

Regards Gary. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

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Re: To trap or not to trap - THAT IS THE QUESTION! [Re: Robi] #91521
12/23/06 03:56 AM
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Hi all,

I do use a extra pair of pulley's, see attachment, these keep the spin sheet close to hand for singlehanding and stop the sheet from catching on the central sheeting cleat.

Regards Gary. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />

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Re: To trap or not to trap - THAT IS THE QUESTION! [Re: ] #91522
12/23/06 04:02 AM
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That is actually a very neat trick Gary, I will definately try that one this coming season as I really would like less excess spi sheet on my trampoline.

Holger, just come to the F16 event at Zandvoort 2007 and you can see all the different systems yourself. And I dare say you can test sail most systems as well. Best way to tell which systems you like and want to copy.

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Re: To trap or not to trap - THAT IS THE QUESTION! [Re: ] #91523
12/23/06 04:03 AM
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and a closer shot.

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Re: To trap or not to trap - THAT IS THE QUESTION! [Re: fin.] #91524
12/23/06 08:24 AM
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Bollocks, that's to secure the esky and you know it

happy xmas everyone, tis the season to be *hiccup* tipsy


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I don't think they actually meant the block is attached to the beam. Robi set mine up for me. It is just a turning block attached to the tramp, with a bungee, near the the rear cross bar. The purpose is to keep the spin sheet from sliding out of reach.

I too am having problems sliding across the boat and plan to add some non-skid to the deck.

Re: To trap or not to trap - THAT IS THE QUESTION! [Re: Wouter] #91525
12/23/06 11:43 AM
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Holger, just come to the F16 event at Zandvoort 2007 and you can see all the different systems yourself. And I dare say you can test sail most systems as well. Best way to tell which systems you like and want to copy.

Wouter


Yes if things work as planned i will come to Zandvoort with my own Blade, but it is now time to think about lines and setup to have my Blade ready in early 2007. I can have the Blade fitted to my needs, and try to start with a setup that will most probably work, and avoid what other found as not well functional. Therefore my other thread "F16 lines and layout" to collect different layouts and the thinking behind it to chose the best.
Holger


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Re: To trap or not to trap - THAT IS THE QUESTION! [Re: Holger] #91526
12/26/06 07:07 AM
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Okay,

We'll be looking out for you at Zandvoort.

Wouter


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