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Spinnaker Colour Help #93663
12/29/06 07:48 AM
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Looking at getting a new spinnaker made and am tossing up a few ideas.......

So which style do you prefer.

We may have another sponnsor soon who's colours are light green, dark blue and gold..... Hence these colours used in 2 of these designs. If they do not come on board then it will open the choice up a lot more.

I am currently leaning towards FIVE

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Re: Spinnaker Colour Help [Re: Tornado_ALIVE] #93664
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Stick to two colors.


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What's the down-side to a clear spinnaker? Seems like it would be a little safer, especially coming into gates.

Re: Spinnaker Colour Help [Re: fin.] #93666
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Trim, cost and lifespan I guess.

Harder to trim, price will be higher as the materials are a bit pricy (as far as I can tell), and it will break down faster (in my opinion). Cloth weight will probably also be higher, but I dont know that.

Upside is visibility and cat spi shapes can actually benefit from a somewhat stiffer cloth.

Re: Spinnaker Colour Help [Re: fin.] #93667
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I'm with you, Pete. Clear would be a lot safer for visibility -- and not just at marks.

Re: Spinnaker Colour Help [Re: Mary] #93668
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When purchasing our chute, we were advised to keep the outer panels lighter coloured. This to make it a. easier to see the telltales and b.easier to see chute trim at night

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No such thing as transparent chute material, at least from Challenge, and not in the neato-nifty whoopee Hot Damn latest silicone coated stuff. You don't even have that many choices of colours...

Re: Spinnaker Colour Help [Re: Boudicca] #93670
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What is this then? They have come up with window materials for spis, so I guess it is made from this material.

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Re: Spinnaker Colour Help [Re: Rolf_Nilsen] #93671
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that makes me think of Wonder Woman and her invisible jet.


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The transparent cloth may be only offered in Europe, or offered by another cloth mfg.

We JUST bought our chute from Smyth (Sept.) and at the time, transparent was not one of the offerings. Our chute cloth is the silicon coated by Challenge Sailcloth.

That said, I think the transparent would suck for an entire chute if you were sailing at night, trimming would be a bitch. But for the bottom panels, sure, why not?

Who makes the transparent cloth? What's its characteristics? What do SAILMAKERS think of it?

Re: Spinnaker Colour Help [Re: Boudicca] #93673
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Contact Ullman Scicily and check with Pablo. Like I said, I suspect that the 'invisible chute' is made of window material, but who knows. Surely not a woven cloth, but some kind of laminate. I dont know more about that spi. I guess there is a reason Pablo dont have more information about it on his webpage.


http://www.ullmangz.it/ENG/Contactus.asp

Do you know wether Smyth have an operational webpage for his company?

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Re: Spinnaker Colour Help [Re: Rolf_Nilsen] #93674
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The clear material in the kite made by Pablo is actually the laminate from car windscreens! it is supplied as a film and is easy to work with.

But it does go milky pretty quickly from all the scrunching up and being shoved into a snuffer. So it is not a good option.

As a side bit of info, the strongest colour is Blue and the weakest colours are the flouro ones followed by White and then green and red. This is due to the dye process and how it reacts with the material.

Also the most popular material in the Tornado class is Contender SK75 as it is very stable and pretty light.

SK80 is a very good option for cats as it is stronger in the warp axis than SK75 but it is not allowed in the F18 rules currently so that is a no go.... I would love to get my new kite made from SK80 <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />


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Welll Macca (Andrew) then you'll just have to switch to the F16's where SK80 IS allowed !


Sorry guys I just couldn't resist.

Wouter


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Re: Spinnaker Colour Help [Re: Wouter] #93676
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I like style number one. My reacher is made of Pentex. Smoke and white. I am going on 5 years with it and a little stretch, but no problems.

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Marcus has been kind enough to lend us the Blade F18 for the worlds, so when thats over and they start building the F16 Blade in Aust then maybe I will have to get my hands on one of them <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />


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... Marcus has been kind enough to lend us the Blade F18 for the worlds ...



That is kind of him, isn't it ?

Any first impressions ?


Wouter


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Re: Spinnaker Colour Help [Re: Rolf_Nilsen] #93679
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I vote for number 3.

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Re: Spinnaker Colour Help [Re: Wouter] #93680
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I dont want to hijack Steve's kite colour thread but in answer to your question, the Blade seems very bloody good from our first 5 or so sails on the boat. We have only really sailed one day of races and another day of straight line testing with some Capricorns and we are very happy with the performance at this early stage. We still have a lot of little things to sort out before the worlds start but we are very happy so far.


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Stephen,

I would choose neither of the proposed colour schemes. I think the "stars" look very much 70's like.

I would suggest that you keep the main body of the spinnaker one colour and just have the leading egde coloured differently. This looks alot more modern and fast.

Follow this link for an example with only 2 colours.

Two coloured leading edge spi

And here an example with 3 colours.


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Maybe Gold (first row panels), light blue (second row panels) and dark blue (rest of spi) will work well.

Or maybe Gold, ligh green, dark blue with a nice golden sponsor log in the dark blue main body of the spi ?


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Re: Spinnaker Colour Help [Re: Wouter] #93682
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Wouter:

Yea I have a nice red, white and blue spinnaker. Can't wait to lean it next season when it gets warm. Have a safe and Happy New Year.

Doug and Ashleigh

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