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...Went to see the Supercat 17 first.
Took a bunch of pictures and uploaded them to photobucket
http://s16.photobucket.com/albums/b12/DangerMouse_06/Boats/

...First thing I noticed was that there were some cracks in the paint around where I assume would be stress points. I didn't detect any obvious delaminating there or anywhere else for that matter.

Second thing I noticed was that the tramp was a mess. It doesn't have any tears in the middle but the seams are all coming undone. I don't know whether to put it in the repair or replace category.

...The pulleys, brackets, and wires all looked in great shape. None of the pulley wheels were chipped or binded. The wires looked fairly new, and had no freying.

Whether everything was there...unfortunately I don't know...

The mast looked ok from what I could see. I didn't see any bends, bows or dents...

The rudders were detached from the hulls. They're the type that flip up for beaches. The rope within that mechanism, along with all the rope elsewhere, needs to be replaced without a doubt.

There was some damage to one of the rudders which I took pictures of. One of the top brackets on a hull was slightly loose. I can only guess that the damage to the bottom of the rudder blade and a slightly loose top "bracket" = someone forgetting to flip the rudders up before landing on a beach. It didn't seem too serious though...

There were also some cracks below where the cross members met the hull. Again, looked cosmetic to me, a layman. Neither hull flexed when I shook the front of it up and down. The seller said that the hull should be resealed at the cross members...

Each hull had a... port that could be opened to gain access within. These were located at the back of each hull between the two rudder mounts. Below was a small drain plug... I noticed some water drain out.

...The bottom of the boat looked ok but there were a few parts that looked like the paint had been totally chipped off. The extreme bottom had a strip about an inch wide of "paint" that was whiter than the rest of the boat and was on top of the paint...

...He said it hasn't been in the water for years.

...The trailer, is a home made contraption... an arm was welded to the front for laying the mast on, and a "bulldog" hitch was welded on the front. The electric lighting needs work. Looks like the wiring is ok but the lights themselves need replacing. One tire is missing and I would have to replace both anyway, probably bearings too. He said they were "buddy bearings."

A few of the rollers are jacked up and would need to be replaced as well. Other than that, trailer looks sound...

...went to his storage. After a very brief look found the mainsail and the bar that attached the two rudders. No "spinniker"? and no tiller...

The sail seemed to be in good shape. No tearing, freying, grommits all present and accounted for. None of the battens were broken...



Forget about the other boat. The SC17 seems to be in good conditions for the age and price.

A few comments:

-The SC17 did not have a spinaker, it is the jib that seems to be missing. It is smaller than the mainsail and could be rolled inside it.

- Water in the hulls due to condensation and rain are common if the boat is left unused, not necessarily a problem (but could be, see below).

-The gel coat cracks seem to be cosmetic, but you will only know for sure after disassembling the crossbeams from the hulls. Rain could be filtering through a crack in this area.

-The serial number is probably molded in the transom, close to the inspection hatch a hull. It is difficult to see if the area is dirty.

- In order to re-rig this boat and put in sailing conditions, some advice is needed (that can be obtained in this forum), plus hours (or days) of relatively specialized shoping, and hours (or days) of work.

-I estimate that you'll spend more then USD 1.500 in this boat, probably 3.000 if the jib is missing and the tramp needs replacement, or more than 5.000, if it is in worse condition than you thought and you have to buy more things than you thought, or decide to improve the boat (like buying new PFDs, trapeze harness, sailing clothes, etc.).

-If you are lucky with the missing or damaged parts, repairs are less than expected and the cost you assign to your work time is low, it is a bargain.

-If you feel that problems could worsen, you don't take pleasure from this type of work and your time is valuable, take the advice to buy a similar boat in your destination. Used boats that are ready to sail come with all the equipment, even if used, and are already licensed for the right sailing area.

My personal opinion: if this boat was sitting in my club and was offered for that price, I'd take it. If it was on the other side of the country, I would try to have a more precise assesment of the final cost and work time.

Good luck,


Luiz