Hi J

good post and thoughts as always -

Questioned the use of the word Nazi --Rating Nazi or OD Nazi in a post above ,-
it does not apply to either class racing or P-rating advocates ,-also questioned the terms used in a post below -"forced " --radial notion " etc --these are also non applicable in all but an attempt at vague humor to the subject .
Reading the news today and ran across this great editorial and drew paralells to this discussion and the use of language and terms within to descibe those with different viewpoints and the extremes people are taken to unneccesarily .
G Will -commenting on a grant study by 4 professors who recieved 400,000 to provide similar false types of applied mischaracterizations to the different subject matter and topic of the editorial-
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A36777-2003Aug8.html
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These 4 prof. obviously have not yet encountered the concept of self irony in their pretence of depicting others with differing viewpoints than their own.

and yes ,-do realize the other side uses phrases like looney left etc and are often as bad ,-but however are not generally paid 400.000 in grants for it .

Like you also wanted to offer some related {though subject varied } observations on racing structure and opinion also .

From several posts of P advocates ,--it seems many now with much fewer numbers in the sport in recent years have never really experienced great large class racing on equal boat design .
The obvious question arrives ,--from what experience or in what contexts are they making or forming the opinion that P-rating is preferred ,--having nothing to really compare it to .--?

Having never raced in a development class like AClass cat designs or a Formula Class type racing structure how can any provide any accurate accessment or conclude P-rated racing IS the preferred race structure . Polls and opinion here indicate the contrary .The current interest and growth is in Formula classes .

What other rating system has been actually compared to P-rating per results at an event ,--and again how can any form an objective fair opinion in the absence of any honest direct comparison ,--Sailwave Scoring set up by Colin has ISAF rating for cats --Texel Rating ,--and P rating ,

The best solution is to help clubs fleets event organizers -boat dealers and builders to get involved in building large racing groups per Length category ,
Set up base Formula groups in each and have an integral compatable design measurement rating system to work constructively with it .
This allows older boats that need to be refit periodically as all do the opportunity to match design specs in L CATEGORY of sail area and other modification as desired for equal fair rated racing groups .
This can be accomplshed by more open Formula rules that allow stock and same rated modified categories in class or by a seperate design measurement rating system .

Existing design measurement does a great job but believe one added windspeed calc is needed based on beam and other design features that take effect above 8 mph when hulls fly and crews trap out and the largest jump in boat speed occurs . --Existing P RATING could also be factored into a combination rating system ,-as outlined in the TIP concept rating for cats .
It needs work and better minds than mine to formulate all aspects of it properly but believe the outlined concept of it and expanded concepts that will really help the sport are also correct .-Looking forward to working on it with others as the interest and current direction indicates it will in the near future .

Last edited by sail6000; 08/09/03 03:19 PM.