Besides Bill and Wouter you guys have to remember that "there are thousands of ways to skin a cat" (pardon the pun) and no one, to my knowledge has, as yet, found the best way! It seems that semantics and minor differences create the greatest amount of "heated" argument when most of it won't amount to a "hill of beans" in 50 years time. Perhaps we should all try a little to keep it in perspective. If not lets all move to the middle east to live and continue the arguments. (At least there the one with the biggest gun could have the best argument?)