Mark, it sounds like things have improved. Back in the '70's when Rick sailed at a CORK regatta at Kingston, Ontario for the Olympic classes, the Tornado class had to sail two hours to get to the course, in good wind, so Rick estimates it was close to 30 miles. Lots of clear air out there in the middle of Lake Ontario. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />