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#126658 12/21/07 09:38 AM 12/21/07 09:38 AM |
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Posts: 3,969 | Excellent summary Jeremy.
I've been a "victim" of a broken shroud at a swage too. "Victim" isn't the right word, it was completely avoidable and was my fault. Why? Because I wasn't careful when I stored the wires for trailering. They would sometimes come out at a weird angle from the mast hound, and I just bungeed them without making them lay flat. This caused the wires to bend un-naturally, which eventually caused one or two strands to break, which then caused the whole thing to break while double trapped in heavy air. Not a great day, and completely avoidable...
Long before that, on a really old boat, I had a bow tang actually break. Seems they develop stress cracks/rust too...
The other caution about quick pins is if they're not exercised, the guts corrode and you can't REMOVE them. I've seen lots of folks who use quick pins on hot sticks but never take them out (seems backwards, doesn't it?). Then, one day the stick drags in the surf, fills with sand and they need to flush it. Only problem is, they can't disconnect it from the crossbar because the quick pin is frozen! Lots of hammering, hack sawing and drinking usually follows...
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[Re: mbounds]
#126659 12/21/07 12:14 PM 12/21/07 12:14 PM |
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Posts: 124 offshore | Thanks, Matt. Laura and I are planning to come out and do the 14 NAs next summer on Clear Lake, IA. So we gotta figure out how to sail the boat (again). (Ohhh, it's been a looong time!!) I was wondering about downwind, so you answered that one as well. And the way you described rigging the boat is what I expected, but it is good to get confirmation since I don't know what I am doing!
Oh! And if you are wondering...we'll be on separate boats! <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />
Time Warp Racing Hobie 14, 16, & 17, Jeanneau Sun Odyssey 45.2
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#126661 01/17/08 02:14 PM 01/17/08 02:14 PM | Anonymous
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Unregistered | I may be late to jump in, but here is my 2cents... On my TheMightyHobie18, I wanted my rigging tight, and adjusted my port side stay every time I went out (since the furling jib is limited to how tight you can pull the forestay).
After having my pins and rings catch and bend on my shorts or trap bucket all the time... and forgetting to adjust it and making "on the fly" adjustments (while underway), I switched to ALL shackles.
This was expensive and probably not all that needed.. but it gave me piece of mind, and I didn’t curse out those little rings that pop out of my hand, into the surf or sand... never to be seen again.
I also had a near disaster one time with a quick release that came out (i wont say what it attached) as I was tacking and right near a sea wall… in 15knots… my crew fought with it and was able to re-pin it at the last second…
Amazing how 1 pin can determine the life expectancy of your boat… I again switch that to a shackle and will not look back. | | | Re: Quick release pins
[Re: SurfCityRacing]
#126663 01/17/08 04:39 PM 01/17/08 04:39 PM | Anonymous
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Unregistered | I was a victim of de-masting last year in the Gulf of Mexico on my Hobie 18 when my anchor pin broke. When I went to signal my friends (all of whom were at least a ½ mile ahead of me on much faster cats) I then learned my air horn was empty.
Luckily they saw me and came back for me… We gathered my rigging and they towed me to the closest land (Caladisi Island) where I used spare G-Cat parts to anchor my port stay.
I happened to see the sailing shop guy on the beach the next day.. and told him my tale. He responded with, “Yes, Hobie’s are notorious for anchor pin falure. You should replace them every year.” I looked at him and said,” you have been working on my various Hobie’s for 8 years... now you tell me this? A day late…. Don’t ya think!!!!”
All you Hobie'ers be warned... carry spares or replace annually | | | Re: Quick release pins
[Re: brucat]
#126665 01/17/08 05:33 PM 01/17/08 05:33 PM | Anonymous
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Unregistered | Which "anchor pins" are you referring to? Do you mean the shroud anchors into the hulls? I've never seen one break, but they do like to unscrew. I have broken a bow tang (and those also like to unscrew). Mike Yup... the ones the shroud adjusters are connected to. I had never heard that either... until mine broke. I spoke with a few other H16'ers on the beach...they had similar experiences | | | Re: Quick release pins
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#126666 01/17/08 06:40 PM 01/17/08 06:40 PM |
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 749 Santa Cruz, CA SurfCityRacing
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Posts: 749 Santa Cruz, CA | Anchor Pins!!! Pay these suckers some attention or they'll make you pay attention! The #1 source of rigging failure hands down. Here's a few fun ones: After having my pins and rings catch and bend on my shorts or trap bucket all the time Shroud adjuster covers (or tape) are an important part of the ring/ pin equation. | | | Re: Quick release pins
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#126667 01/17/08 09:24 PM 01/17/08 09:24 PM |
Joined: Apr 2006 Posts: 699 SE Pa. or Chesapeak Bay HMurphey
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Posts: 699 SE Pa. or Chesapeak Bay | Yep, Classic Failures!!! That is where the anchor bolts break. I think it has to do with the "threading" w/die operation in manufacturing the part due to heating of the part. Maybe they are running the die too fast and it heats up the part if not properly lubricated/cooled??? Steve Cooley's looked exactly the same at this years H-18NAs, it made a LOUD bang when his starb pin went on the starting line. I was close aboard on his port side and looked over my shoulder to see his mast laying over to me. Faster boat ... faster .... I lost one years ago when sailing with a Special Olympian on board (just after the 95' games). Looked exactly the same. Thanks for the reminder, I'll change mine.
Shackles: I installed shackles awhile ago on the bridle/hull tang point, furler adjustment rack and the shroud adjuster to anchor pin point. Install them with the pins orientated: top down or inside to outside. This way if the pins come loose they have to thread "up" or they thread "in" and fall on the boat. ... Then I got to thinking .... "CAPTIVE PINS" ... Yah, I know they are expensive but no lost pins !!! I like Wichard? brand.
I did this at first at the bridles and shrouds so I had some place to tie off a line to the boat. When being towed I tie a "bridle" to the front crossbar but I would "run-over" the tow line .... so I attach a Carbiner to the shackle and pass the towing bridle through the carbiner, this keeps the towing line "high" and you can't run over it.
I have two shackles on the furler adjustment rack, one the jib attaches to, the lowwer one I use as a turning point for the jib halyard.
The shackles at the shrouds I tie a 1/8 piece of amsteel to and run it up to the inside front corner of my magnum wings to brace the wings against forward "shock" load when trapped out, I have footstraps sewn into my wing covers so when you stuff a bow and you have you feet in the straps you can generate a large shock load.
The only place I use Quick-Pins is for my hotstick (and I always take it off when I hit the beach), and for my mainsail clew to boom attachment. I like to drop the boom when on the beach !!! Yah, I got smacked in the head, once was enough!!!
To fix a wobbly Telocat replace the clevis pins between the bridles and furler with SS 1/4"/20 x 1" mach screws (use NYLOCK nuts !!!!)
Tape any remaining pins. You can get different color elec tapes at Home Depot or Lowes !!! You can color coordinate !!!
And who says guys aren't crafty !!!
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#126668 01/17/08 10:05 PM 01/17/08 10:05 PM | Anonymous
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Unregistered | The only place I use Quick-Pins is for my hotstick (and I always take it off when I hit the beach), and for my mainsail clew to boom attachment. I like to drop the boom when on the beach !!! In my first month owning my TheMightyHobie18, I lost my quick-pin on my boom / mainsail clewplate... it was at the worst time possible (high winds in a jibe) and almost lost the boat to a sea wall that day. Once the sail and boom aren't connected... well that like your wheels and steering wheel seperating on your car. I would suggest using a shackle at that place. | | | Re: Quick release pins
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#126671 01/17/08 11:21 PM 01/17/08 11:21 PM | Anonymous
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Unregistered | My friend, i was only relaying my experiences and "MO" I too know why it is called a "BOOM" in the worst way.
Heck, i was on my second sail on my new Mystere 5.5 (last month) and my crew (who was once sponsored by Mystere and was showing me the "ropes") almost went to the hospital when he was "kissed" by the boom when we were beaching in 28knots (confirmed with handheld meter).
When i said i "lost" my quick-pin at the worst time... i didn't mean it poped out and couldn'd find it... i meant it poped out and my crew was battlin' to get it back in the plate before my boat smashed into the sea wall the current/wind was pushing us into. He finally was able to at the last second.... but it was close. It ALWAYS is something... and it ALWAYS is at the worst time... but that is 1/2 the adventure.... i guess!
I have little or no problems unscrewing my shackle on the beach to lower my boom when i want...
But by all means, do what works for you... this is just my method....
PS we have a few h16's with 90lbs skippers that keep us honest too!!!! Damn them! | | |
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