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Re: Actual real data from the GC in Zandvort 2007 [Re: macca] #133740
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i'll take that as a YES then?


Macca,

This has been done to death.
Move on.


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Re: Actual real data from the GC in Zandvort 2007 [Re: scooby_simon] #133741
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Ok, I will leave you guys with this:

A Version 5 AC boat weighs 24,000kg and they would not entertain the thought of a boat thats 5kg over weight. (what is that as a percentage??)

How exactly you know better than the best scientists, designers and sailors in the world is beyond me but you all seem pretty convinced.

Good luck with it, I look forward to the messy debate when someone builds a boat to the current rule and decimates the existing fleet. If anyone could be bothered <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />


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Re: Actual real data from the GC in Zandvort 2007 [Re: scooby_simon] #133742
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Andrew,
I'm beginning to get the impression that you don't like the F16 Class Rules. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
This is all getting very old.
You don't live that far away.
Happy to sit down over a beer and discuss this anytime.

Regards,
Phill


I know that the voices in my head aint real,
but they have some pretty good ideas.
There is no such thing as a quick fix and I've never had free lunch!

Re: Actual real data from the GC in Zandvort 2007 [Re: phill] #133743
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Andrew - PB like scotch.... <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />


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Re: Actual real data from the GC in Zandvort 2007 [Re: Marcus F16] #133744
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Phill, your on:)

name the time and place.

Me like beer (simple man)


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Re: Actual real data from the GC in Zandvort 2007 [Re: macca] #133745
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Ok,
I work all weekend and early in the week but
later in the week I think I have a couple of days off.

I'll give you a ring around Tuesday or Wednesday.

The leagues club is nearby. You could even walk home.


I know that the voices in my head aint real,
but they have some pretty good ideas.
There is no such thing as a quick fix and I've never had free lunch!

Re: Actual real data from the GC in Zandvort 2007 [Re: macca] #133746
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Phill, your on:)

name the time and place.


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Re: Actual real data from the GC in Zandvort 2007 [Re: Dermot] #133747
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Dermot - how heavy is your gun...... <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />


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Re: Actual real data from the GC in Zandvort 2007 [Re: Marcus F16] #133748
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Dermot - how heavy is your gun...... <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />


139kg <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" /> I'll get my coat <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />


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Re: Actual real data from the GC in Zandvort 2007 [Re: Steve_Kwiksilver] #133749
03/01/08 03:25 PM
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Hi Stephen,
I`m no rock star, but just curious as to how much performance there really is in 5kg.


Hi Steve,

With regards to your question about extra weight only, an extra 5 kg means an extra 5kg your boat must displace (move an extra 5 ltrs of water.

Where this is the most noticable is downwind in light through to heavy conditions. The lighter the weight the deeper you can send it down wind = better VMG. That is why in the most competitve fleets you see the good sailors trying to keep their boat weight to the absolute min with crew weight also to the min or to the optimum weight (not weight range). It does make a BIG difference on the race course, trust me. Of late I have raced the F18 with crew weights between 184 kg to 135 kg in amoungst quality fleets, but mostly around the 150 to 160.


Re: Actual real data from the GC in Zandvort 2007 [Re: Tornado_ALIVE] #133750
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TornadoAlive,

Maybe you should join Phill and Macca for that glass of beer ?

Then you can check out Phill "under minimum weight Aussie Blade F16 that can't be build" at the same time !

Wouter

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Re: Actual real data from the GC in Zandvort 2007 [Re: Wouter] #133751
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Relax Wouter,

Plan to catch up with Phil.

Wouter, for your own benifit, spend some more time in the real racing world, not the internet one.


Re: Actual real data from the GC in Zandvort 2007 [Re: Tornado_ALIVE] #133752
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Wouter, for your own benifit, spend some more time in the real racing world, not the internet one.



Humm, I'm an (maritime) engineer nothing more nothing less, so what did you do last weekend ?


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Ohh YEAH !

Wouter

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Re: Actual real data from the GC in Zandvort 2007 [Re: Wouter] #133753
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Humm, I'm an (maritime) engineer nothing more nothing less, so what did you do last weekend ?


LOL..... Very quick edit on your post Wouter. I am an overcocky racer hey. I can live with that <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> Perhaps you should have described yourself as an overcocky engineer whome is never wrong <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />

FYI, The last 2 weeks, Sail Auckland and Tornado Worlds.


Re: Actual real data from the GC in Zandvort 2007 [Re: Aido] #133754
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"Sue"

I like your spunk. From your flawless grammar and spelling I guess you are not American, European or under 30. Females tend to have a higher level of english expression. From this I deduce that you are Antipodean, tertiary educated and female, aged between 30 and 35, weighing 55 +/- 5kg and living in Sydney. Am I close?

Phil

Re: Actual real data from the GC in Zandvort 2007 [Re: Phile] #133755
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Cool, CSI comes to the F16 forum <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />


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Re: Actual real data from the GC in Zandvort 2007 [Re: Tornado_ALIVE] #133756
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Actually that part was refering to another person and I didn't feel it was right to included that in a reply to you, hence I removed it.

I think you can describe me as a **** engineer or something like that, that is fair. Yet I don't tell you guys how to sail your boats as I know you are better then me in that. Of course this respect is not reciprocated on technical matters. The typical "busdrivers think they know better then their engineers" syndrome.

With respect Sail Auckland and Tornado Worlds, good on you mate but you have missed the point; I've never adviced YOU to get out more in the real world.

Wouter

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Re: Actual real data from the GC in Zandvort 2007 [Re: Wouter] #133757
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Yet I don't tell you guys how to sail your boats as I know you are better then me in that. Of course this respect is not reciprocated on technical matters. The typical "busdrivers think they know better then their engineers" syndrome.


Wouter


You spend a lot of time telling people how to sail their boats actually. The type of respect you seem to crave has to be earned, from your behaviour on this forum it would not be possible for you, Wouter, to earn my respect.

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Re: Actual real data from the GC in Zandvort 2007 [Re: Darryn] #133758
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The type of respect you seem to crave has to be earned, from your behaviour on this forum it would not be possible for you, Wouter, to earn my respect.



I could solve world hunger and still not earn any praise from you guys.


Wouter


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Re: Actual real data from the GC in Zandvort 2007 [Re: macca] #133759
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my boat is underweight.

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