Without being an expert in english.. Now you sound condescending <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
To be very serious and speaking generally, we all need to think about how we express our opinions and views. As our class grows more and more people comes to the forum. The forum might be the only contact many have with the class. If we want to make our class (and the forum) attractive, we must try not to offend or make our class look like it is filled with buffoons. Condescending, talking down other classes/boats/sailors etc. reflects poorly on ourself. This is not directed at any post in this thread, but generally speaking.
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Re: Day two pictures can be seen here !
[Re: tshan]
#135507 03/14/0812:37 PM03/14/0812:37 PM
Guys have a look at the following video www.Stealth_F16_promo_video_01.wmv on it you can see just about every permutation of spinnaker runs with 2 on the wire, driver on the wire, single handed out on the wire etc. Both skippers have been trapezing under spinnaker for years and are both way faster under nearly all conditons by being out on the wire. Good video guys showing how it can be done and is now the standard for all in the UK <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
Last edited by waynemarlow; 03/14/0802:08 PM.
Re: Day two pictures can be seen here !
[Re: waynemarlow]
#135508 03/14/0812:54 PM03/14/0812:54 PM
By the way an alternative is to have the skipper trap out and have the crew with spi sheet sit against the rearbeam. I believe this setup was pioneered by John Casey and John Williams and it worked very well for them.
Totally depends on the conditions - the picture you're basing that upon was a single snapshot of us overstood on the downwind finish. There were times I was on the wire and there were times JC was on the wire - depended upon how much and where we needed the weight to keep the boat under the sails. Mostly, however, as noted several other places, trapping on the F16 on the run did not seem to pay. We enjoyed very deep angles with the boat quite flat for 75% of the runs - this seemed fast.
John Williams
- The harder you practice, the luckier you get - Gary Player, pro golfer
After watching Lionel Messi play, I realize I need to sail harder.
Re: Day two pictures can be seen here !
[Re: John Williams]
#135510 03/14/0803:33 PM03/14/0803:33 PM
What happened to that rule about keeping your main sheeted in tight when under spin? <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />
It's easy to talk about someone else but, It looks as if both of them are just running downwind, like with old type spinnakers, not driving as fast as they could. Although if the wind is very strong I'd sometimes do that.
Understood Dermot, but after a previous discussion I had resolved that I needed to overcome the desire to ease the mainsheet while running scared and chicken (deep). Your apparent wind is rotating aft and you are presenting that twisted off roach squarely to the wind (especially after a wave stuff). I was hoping to find out that keeping the main stalled was more effective at reducing the pitching moment. So travel out yes, ease no.
Just another Northern Sailor.
The remark about the mainsheet was not mine. I just felt that you could have been driving a bit harder - actually the yellow spinnaker is the worst offender. But then I was not there and it was probably blowing harder than it looks. There have been plenty of times when I have been bearing way off and praying to get to the bottom mark without pitchpoling.
Dermot Catapult 265
Re: Day two pictures can be seen here !
[Re: Dermot]
#135512 03/14/0805:38 PM03/14/0805:38 PM
Nice pictures Simon, but it still goes back to steering. You could have just turned a little lower in that picture where you were onboard and it woulda seemed like a walk in the park. It's not even white capping ..............
Tom
Re: Day two pictures can be seen here !
[Re: scooby_simon]
#135514 03/14/0805:57 PM03/14/0805:57 PM
Nice pictures Simon, but it still goes back to steering. You could have just turned a little lower in that picture where you were onboard and it woulda seemed like a walk in the park. It's not even white capping ..............
Tom
But it would be slow.
GPS plots suggest I'm doing about 3-5kts faster on the wire and sailing the same course as the apparent goes forward.
I agree, when it's to windy for wiring it's time to go deeper, but I'm hoping to get to the point when I can wire down wind in most racing conditions.
When I was sailing my Inter 17 (EU Spec) wiring was faster over about 10kts compared to the other 17 I was racing against most weekends until I could not control the boat from the wire.
I think the GC will be interesting as some believe woring is fast, some do not - hopefully we'll get an answer!
Well, it would be a little slower and a little lower .........
It kinda all comes back to the same thing. Balancing it out. Long downwind leg with few jibes, go for it. Shorter course, I'm thinking stay on board. And like the guy said earlier, depends on the conditions. I don't think Midwinters woulda been a good place to try trapping out downwind singlehanded. Actually, that is what I have been basing my whole argument on. You shoulda seen how many times the spinnakers were collapsing on the singlehanded boats.
Tom
Re: Day two pictures can be seen here !
[Re: Thomm225]
#135517 03/14/0807:07 PM03/14/0807:07 PM
I don't think Midwinters woulda been a good place to try trapping out downwind singlehanded.
I agree, not the best time to try it for the first, second, thrid, fourth.. etc time. But if you could control it, big gains could be made. "go high or go home!" <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
Re: Day two pictures can be seen here !
[Re: Dermot]
#135518 03/14/0809:52 PM03/14/0809:52 PM
Thanks all for taking the worst sailing form I could muster and post it repeatedly in the forum... That picture is from the last race, and I was beat. Haven't sailed in 7 months... sailed Friday and every race in the series. All I needed for the regatta was a finish.
Let's critique this one instead :-)
Mike, Ohio Former H16, H18, N20, N17, M4.3
Re: Day two pictures can be seen here !
[Re: TeamTeets]
#135519 03/14/0809:55 PM03/14/0809:55 PM
Nice racing against you (when I actually made the START <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />) and enjoyed talking with you at the BBQ dinner. Hopefully, we get more chances to race against each other.
Terry
USA 777
Re: Day two pictures can be seen here !
[Re: tback]
#135520 03/14/0810:25 PM03/14/0810:25 PM
Thanks all for taking the worst sailing form I could muster and post it repeatedly in the forum... That picture is from the last race, and I was beat. Haven't sailed in 7 months... sailed Friday and every race in the series. All I needed for the regatta was a finish.
Sorry about that Mike <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" /> If the conditions were as bad as everyone is saying, and I was singlehanded, I would have been playing safe and concentrating on getting to the bottom mark upright <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />