| Hobie 16 ties J/24 in OD survey #162856 12/17/08 03:10 PM 12/17/08 03:10 PM |
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Posts: 471 NC | SA's One Design survey for 2008 has the H16 tied with the J/24 at 11th place in the top 25 One Design classes in North America. Positions were awarded by the number of boats competing in each class North American or National Championships. Here's the rundown of boats that made the list: 1) Laser Radial 2) Lightning 3) MC scow 4) Flying Scot 5) Laser 6) Thistle 7) E scow 8) J/22 9) 29er 10) Sunfish 11) Hobie 16 11) J/24 13) Star 14) C scow 15) Butterfly 15) Snipe 17) Melges 24 18) Lido 19) Vanguard 15 20) J/105 21) Interlake 22) Albacore 23) Y flyer 24) Inter Club 25) Sonar Check out the discussion: http://forums.sailinganarchy.com/index.php?showtopic=83548 | | | Re: Hobie 16 ties J/24 in OD survey
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#162873 12/17/08 08:52 PM 12/17/08 08:52 PM |
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Posts: 805 Gainesville, FL 32607 USA | There it is- Sheer proof - nobody in the USA sails or cares about catamarans. Straight from SA.
RE: E-scows high on the list. I betcha there are maybe 3 at their NA that are less than 4 years old.
Dacarls: A-class USA 196, USA 21, H18, H16 "Nothing that's any good works by itself. You got to make the damn thing work"- Thomas Edison
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Posts: 224 Cincinnati, Ohio | Ugg. This is true. The MC scow is more prevalent in the Midwest than the H16.
Sure they can tack on a dime, they're just slow.
Now the C-Scow.....I'd consider one if I had the Cash,Crew, and truck to pull it.
Ryan - H16
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Posts: 3,116 Annapolis, MD | Take a look at the list again and consider who has a national class and then count the type of sailing.... eg. Single handed Double handed Three or more in the boat.
Drum roll ............. For national 2 person classes... the winner is
Double Hander National 11) Hobie 16 54 13) Star 52.7 15) Snipe 50.3 19 Vanguard 15 47.3
WAY TO GO HOBIE 16 CLASS on the three year average..... Beating out the Star Class is impressive!
(I toss the 29ner because it is a junior class in the USA)
The other take home point is to recognize that sail boat racing is indeed social... MANY of the top 25 classes are raced with three or more on the team....
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Posts: 3,116 Annapolis, MD | When was the last NA's on the west coast? It's not evident in Rojer Jolly's tables.
No problem modifying the table if needed.
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Posts: 47 California | When was the last NA's on the west coast? You mean Hobie 16 NA's I suppose. That would be 2007 in Alameda, CA. | | | Re: Hobie 16 ties J/24 in OD survey
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Posts: 1,187 38.912, -95.37 | In the Hobie 16 class am I correct that they only allow 56 entrants, and if they allowed more would they be higher on the list. I don't think so...although at various 16 Open's they've split into Gold and Silver fleets. '04 (71) boats, '03 (70) boats, the highest # in last ten years was '99 with (96) boats.
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Posts: 3,116 Annapolis, MD | actually talking about the E Scows NA's... My point is that it's a regional class and MUCH easier to get to the event.
and you have to consider the NA turnout of a regional class somewhat differently then the NA turnout for a truly national class.
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Posts: 3,116 Annapolis, MD | How about the Rhodes Island NA's.... bet you it turns out lower then that number! (They don't hold regattas in New England any more)
What it tells you is that the 16 class is truly national and committed to keeping the competition going. It also points to the challenge to the class to address the needs of the regional fleets.
Every class has challenges... EG. The US A class is getting some grief.... After running a maxed out 100 boat worlds in Fla.... No yanks are attending the very next worlds in Australia.... (which also maxed out participation.
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Posts: 4,118 Northfield Mn | Next years 16 N.A's in Kingston ON Canada will be a real challenge to get number's as there is not even a Hobie fleet in Kingston and there will probably only be 3-4 Canadian teams at the event and people choosing to go to the mega, or 16na's if they can only choose one. | | | Re: Hobie 16 ties J/24 in OD survey
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Posts: 3,969 | Given that, it is pretty cool the the 16s have such a dedicated class that are willing to travel and maybe if other classes would do that this survey would be more accurate. Todd, your definition of "more accurate" does not apply, this is how the author conducted the survey. Unless you think the numbers posted are erroneous, I'd say it's accurate for the intent of the author. That's not to say that I'm not surprised by some of the standings (I really thought the Opti and Sunfish would be way higher). Never underestimate the power of the Hobie 16. There are more of those boats sailing at weekend regattas than most of the other boats on the list, so if you start changing the criteria, it might actually move up on the list. Mike | | |
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