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Re: Square top sails [Re: Lost in Translation] #227653
01/27/11 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Lost in Translation
I believe Kirk at Key Sailing now has the two test kites for new development. Trey and I had them at an event at Nigel's in the late fall but they were rigged for end pole snuffer so that we couldn't try them. We put one up in the parking lot and noticed the luff was significantly shorter. Hard to see a lot else without any wind. Should be a lot easier on the spin poles though by not requiring as much pre-bend.

I believe the new kite is coming out soon but don't know the dates. I've asked Trey to give an update.

"Rumor" has it that the "test kites" were simply NOS spins sent out, hence the patches for end pole. Why would an updated spin under development be patched for end pole?

The kite, main, jib that Kirk has is for the aluminum rig, which has a spin hound lower than the carbon rigs. They are beautiful sails. The aluminum rig provided jib was used at Tradewinds on a carbon rig with the aftermarket main.


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Re: Square top sails [Re: P.M.] #227680
01/27/11 09:03 PM
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Originally Posted by mummp
Originally Posted by Lost in Translation
I believe Kirk at Key Sailing now has the two test kites for new development. Trey and I had them at an event at Nigel's in the late fall but they were rigged for end pole snuffer so that we couldn't try them. We put one up in the parking lot and noticed the luff was significantly shorter. Hard to see a lot else without any wind. Should be a lot easier on the spin poles though by not requiring as much pre-bend.

I believe the new kite is coming out soon but don't know the dates. I've asked Trey to give an update.

"Rumor" has it that the "test kites" were simply NOS spins sent out, hence the patches for end pole. Why would an updated spin under development be patched for end pole?

The kite, main, jib that Kirk has is for the aluminum rig, which has a spin hound lower than the carbon rigs. They are beautiful sails. The aluminum rig provided jib was used at Tradewinds on a carbon rig with the aftermarket main.


In my experience you can get a significantly shorter (or longer) luff just buying one of the old sails.

In my uneducated sail making knowledge, I had always believed that in modern spins a longer luff gave you more power (even if sail area was equal or slightly less). Will they come up with two spins, one for the aluminum rig and one for the carbon?


Re: Square top sails [Re: ] #227741
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The mast extrusion is a wing profile not round

Re: Square top sails [Re: JeffS] #227742
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Talking about pitch poles, here`s mine as close as you can get last week Australia day..That tested the mast...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4DDilL4SNY
Didnt mean to laugh at the crew so much but this was really funny, thanks to Alex on a jet ski and a steady hand..

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Re: Square top sails [Re: Devon] #227755
01/29/11 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Devon
Talking about pitch poles, here`s mine as close as you can get last week Australia day..That tested the mast...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4DDilL4SNY
Didnt mean to laugh at the crew so much but this was really funny, thanks to Alex on a jet ski and a steady hand..


Nice recovery on the crew's part. You should sell tickets for that ride.


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Re: Square top sails [Re: P.M.] #227762
01/29/11 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by mummp
Originally Posted by Lost in Translation
I believe Kirk at Key Sailing now has the two test kites for new development. Trey and I had them at an event at Nigel's in the late fall but they were rigged for end pole snuffer so that we couldn't try them. We put one up in the parking lot and noticed the luff was significantly shorter. Hard to see a lot else without any wind. Should be a lot easier on the spin poles though by not requiring as much pre-bend.

I believe the new kite is coming out soon but don't know the dates. I've asked Trey to give an update.

"Rumor" has it that the "test kites" were simply NOS spins sent out, hence the patches for end pole. Why would an updated spin under development be patched for end pole?

The kite, main, jib that Kirk has is for the aluminum rig, which has a spin hound lower than the carbon rigs. They are beautiful sails. The aluminum rig provided jib was used at Tradewinds on a carbon rig with the aftermarket main.

MummP-Rumors are just that, rumors. You asked this specific question at Tradewinds and I told you the answer.
The test chutes were endpole setups because the test boat at E/P has an endpole system. Most of the N20's in CA are still endpole setups.

The new spinnaker is coming out this quarter and will hopefully be available by the end of February. When I have a hard date for the release, I'll be sure to post it on Catsailor.
If all goes well, the new main and jib will be out first quarter of 2012, potentially last quarter of this year.

My email address is: velocitytrey (at) gmail.com. Anyone feel free to email me if you have questions regarding the N20 and I'll make sure you have the honest answer, no rumors here.

So what are you guys with open sails going to do when the updated E/P sails beat you around the course? smile

I love this boat!


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Re: Square top sails [Re: NCSUtrey] #227773
01/29/11 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by NCSUtrey

So what are you guys with open sails going to do when the updated E/P sails beat you around the course? smile


hell, the original ones already do!!
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Re: Square top sails [Re: NCSUtrey] #227781
01/29/11 09:42 PM
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Shoot, my boat is just out of sync with that schedule. My spins are still in good shape, but I could use a new main and really need a new jib...

Re: Square top sails [Re: Keith] #227782
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nacra just announced they are developing a square top main for the 16sq.

Re: Square top sails [Re: Devon] #227785
01/30/11 02:53 AM
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Don't think you would have saved that pitchpole with a square top. you definately need a camera


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Re: Square top sails [Re: ] #227788
01/30/11 07:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Scarecrow
Working out how big a head can go is easy. You keep making it bigger until the mast breaks.


Then make it a little smaller!


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Re: Square top sails [Re: Andrew] #227789
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no just let the mainsheet out faster

Re: Square top sails [Re: NCSUtrey] #227803
01/30/11 04:43 PM
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My email address is: velocitytrey (at) gmail.com. Anyone feel free to email me if you have questions regarding the N20 and I'll make sure you have the honest answer, no rumors here.



How about just updating us on the Nacra 20 class e-mail group? You testing the new ones is a signifigant thing we would like to hear about. As our "class president" I was hoping you'd keep us informed.


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Re: Square top sails [Re: NCSUtrey] #227832
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So what are you guys with open sails going to do when the updated E/P sails beat you around the course?



The re-cut custom ones or the factory ones?


Lee

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Re: Square top sails [Re: TeamChums] #227840
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Originally Posted by TeamChums

How about just updating us on the Nacra 20 class e-mail group?


How can I join?

Re: Square top sails [Re: Ventucky Red] #227847
01/31/11 01:34 PM
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It's a gang and you have to be "jumped in". I'll see if I can still find a link for you.


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Re: Square top sails [Re: Ventucky Red] #227848
01/31/11 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Ventucky Red
Originally Posted by TeamChums

How about just updating us on the Nacra 20 class e-mail group?


How can I join?

PM me your Email address and I'll send you an invite. Unfortunately it doesn't get much use.


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Re: Square top sails [Re: Team_Cat_Fever] #227854
01/31/11 01:50 PM
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Todd, weren't you the originator of the group? If I understand the google group thing correctly, only the person that started it can add people in. I may be wrong though.

Lee- what do you mean by 're-cut custom ones?'


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Re: Square top sails [Re: NCSUtrey] #227861
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