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Re: Tacking and Jibing from trapeze [Re: Arjan13] #251330
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I think that 3 sheets to the wind comes from the old square riggers that had square sails with a sheet in each corner, once the crew let go of 3 of them, the sail was flogging out of control on the end of just one sheet


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Try out (like for a sports team).


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Originally Posted by TEAMVMG
Ships cannon balls were stored in stacks in dishes called brass monkeys. The brass monkeys filled with water, when it froze and expanded the cannon balls would roll off onto the deck.



Seriously?!?! You didn't just make that up?!?!?


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And the square rigger/3 sheets makes sense.


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Originally Posted by TEAMVMG
Ships cannon balls were stored in stacks in dishes called brass monkeys. The brass monkeys filled with water, when it froze and expanded the cannon balls would roll off onto the deck.


I will have to disagree on this one. I have toured a tall ship rendered historically accurate (and the HMS Bounty, but I think that's less historically accurate), and they don't store cannonballs in the pyrimid shapes. Can you imagine a rolling deck with those things all stacked nicely?

The cannonballs were stored on planks with holes cut out of them. I think they call them "garlands"
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You can see the garland behind this cannon (right bottom corner of the photo)

Down below the main deck, the cannonballs are stored in racks (like soda cans) for easy retrieval

Even better, land batteries (like Fort Jefferson, Dry Tortugas) had a similar rack system for cannonballs, but they were heated red-hot in a fire on their way to being retrieved, so the cannon can blast away and set a ship on fire as well. Not sure how they prevented the powder from self-igniting when they pushed the red hot cannonball down the muzzle, but I'm sure the park ranger would know...

There is some mention on the web of "monkeys" in Lord General Cromwel's inventories (circa 1650) of cannon regarded as "brasse munkeys alias Dogs", which may allude to the smaller Minion or Saker cannons (3-4 pound shot weight/ approx 3" diameter) versus the Demi-Cannon (32-36 pound shot weight/ approx 6" diameter)


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I thought "Three sheets" meant sails, but the "Google Machine" in front of me corrected my thinking. I totally forgot "sheet" also meant control line. Crappy sailor I turned out to be, I guess.

Capt'n Morgan is probably flipping over in his pirate ship by now...


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Originally Posted by waterbug_wpb
Originally Posted by TEAMVMG
Ships cannon balls were stored in stacks in dishes called brass monkeys. The brass monkeys filled with water, when it froze and expanded the cannon balls would roll off onto the deck.


I will have to disagree on this one. I have toured a tall ship rendered historically accurate (and the HMS Bounty, but I think that's less historically accurate), and they don't store cannonballs in the pyrimid shapes. Can you imagine a rolling deck with those things all stacked nicely?

The cannonballs were stored on planks with holes cut out of them. I think they call them "garlands"
[Linked Image]
You can see the garland behind this cannon (right bottom corner of the photo)

Down below the main deck, the cannonballs are stored in racks (like soda cans) for easy retrieval

Even better, land batteries (like Fort Jefferson, Dry Tortugas) had a similar rack system for cannonballs, but they were heated red-hot in a fire on their way to being retrieved, so the cannon can blast away and set a ship on fire as well. Not sure how they prevented the powder from self-igniting when they pushed the red hot cannonball down the muzzle, but I'm sure the park ranger would know...

There is some mention on the web of "monkeys" in Lord General Cromwel's inventories (circa 1650) of cannon regarded as "brasse munkeys alias Dogs", which may allude to the smaller Minion or Saker cannons (3-4 pound shot weight/ approx 3" diameter) versus the Demi-Cannon (32-36 pound shot weight/ approx 6" diameter)





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Originally Posted by TEAMVMG


Perhaps the brass monkeys were mostly used on shore at a fixed base and not on ship.

Which, makes me wonder what kind of drink the song "Brass Monkey" by the Beastie Boys refers to.


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Originally Posted by Jake
Perhaps the brass monkeys were mostly used on shore at a fixed base and not on ship.


I would agree with you on that, Jake. Can you imagine 32 pound cannonballs rolling around the deck in a gale? Not my cup of tea at all...

Originally Posted by Jake
Which, makes me wonder what kind of drink the song "Brass Monkey" by the Beastie Boys refers to.


isn't that some varient of "spanish fly"?


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In the beastie boys song, the "brass monkey" they are referring to is from cannon batteries found in warmer, humid climates. The water would pool in the brass monkey and algea would turn the water green. Those were referred to as "funky monkeys".


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The Beastie Boys "Brass Monkey" is Rum, vodka and Orange Juice over ice.Nothing to do with cannonballs. But Karl's explanation works too.


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Originally Posted by Team_Cat_Fever
But Karl's explanation works too.


I disagree with this.

Brass Monkey, that funky Monkey
Brass Monkey junkie, that funky Monkey

Got this dance that's more than real
Drink Brass Monkey, here's how you feel
Put your left leg down, your right leg up
Tilt your head back, let's finish the cup
M.C.A. with the bottle, D rocks the can

Adrock gets nice with Charlie Chan
We're offered Moet, we don't mind Chivas
Wherever we go with bring the Monkey with us
Adrock drinks three, Mike D is D

Double R foots the bill most definitely
I drink Brass Monkey and I rock well
I got a Castle in Brooklyn
That's where I dwell

Brass Monkey, that funky Monkey
Brass Monkey junkie, that funky Monkey

'Cause I drink it anytime and anyplace
When it's time to get ill, I pour it on my face
Monkey tastes Def when you pour it on ice
Come on y'all, it's time to get nice

Coolin' by the lockers, gettin' kind of funky
Me and the crew, we're drinking Brass Monkey
This girl walked by, she gave me the eye
I reached in the locker, grabbed the Spanish Fly

I put it with the Monkey, mixed it in the cup
Went over to the girl, "Yo baby, what's up?"
I offered her a sip, the girl she gave me lip
It did begin, the stuff wore in and now she's on my tip

Brass Monkey, that funky Monkey
Brass Monkey junkie, that funky Monkey

Step up to the bar, put the girl down
She takes a big gulp and slaps it around
Take a sip, you can do it, you get right to it
We had a case in the place and we went right through it

You got a dry Martini, thinking you're cool
I'll take your place at the bar, I smack you off your stool
I'll down a '40 dog in a single gulp
And if you got beef you'll get beat to a pulp

Monkey and parties and reelin' and rockin'
Def, def girls, girls, all y'all jockin'
The song and dance keeping you in a trance
If you don't buy my record, I got my advance

I drink it, I think it, I see it, I be it
I love Brass Monkey but I won't give D it
We got the bottle, you got the cup
Come on everybody let's get fff

Brass Monkey, that funky Monkey
Brass Monkey junkie, that funky Monkey


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There's a rumor Ding was signing that loudly in the shower at Nigel's place (Spring Fever)


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Jake, it was a joke. I'm reasonably sure Karl made that up. You're working to hard.

Jay,
How do you "sign" loudly. My wife does sign language ,but I can never hear her.


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dry humor....too dry apparently.


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Originally Posted by Jake
dry humor....too dry apparently.


Well, let me ask you this way. How many times do you think the word "funky" was used on a ship with Cannon?


"I said, now, I said ,pay attention boy!"

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Originally Posted by Team_Cat_Fever
Originally Posted by Jake
dry humor....too dry apparently.


Well, let me ask you this way. How many times do you think the word "funky" was used on a ship with Cannon?


I'm lost now.


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Penguin.


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Originally Posted by Team_Cat_Fever
Penguin.


Arctic Seal.


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