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#261264 07/12/13 09:47 AM 07/12/13 09:47 AM |
Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 3,293 Long Beach, California John Williams
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Posts: 3,293 Long Beach, California | To add to what Jake said, that was a NAF-18 policy that was suggested by IF18CA. We (the NAF-18 volunteers) tried hard to keep that policy, but as Mark alludes, it was an on-line guessing game as to who was sailing what for big events...
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After watching Lionel Messi play, I realize I need to sail harder.
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#261272 07/12/13 11:23 AM 07/12/13 11:23 AM |
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Posts: 554 Boston, Ma | And it's all over!
1. Besson/Lagarrigue (Infusion) 2. Styles/Mason (Phantom) 3. Booth/Booth (Infusion)
Still waiting on full final results
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[Re: Reiss]
#261279 07/12/13 12:27 PM 07/12/13 12:27 PM |
Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 3,293 Long Beach, California John Williams
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Posts: 3,293 Long Beach, California | Congrats to Taylor and Matt - Youth World Champs!
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- The harder you practice, the luckier you get - Gary Player, pro golfer
After watching Lionel Messi play, I realize I need to sail harder.
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#261281 07/12/13 12:41 PM 07/12/13 12:41 PM |
Joined: Mar 2009 Posts: 932 Solomon's Island, MD samc99us
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Posts: 932 Solomon's Island, MD | Congrats to Taylor and Matt, where are the provisional results?
Sounds like Mischa had some bad luck this week with the broken main halyard and the bfd. Shame but that is a ridiculously tough fleet!
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#261289 07/12/13 02:48 PM 07/12/13 02:48 PM |
Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 3,116 Annapolis, MD Mark Schneider
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Posts: 3,116 Annapolis, MD | Ah Jake.... sucks to be old and remember the ancient history that young pups have no idea about. (grin)
If you are going to drop 15K (at that time) on a boat..) you absolutely were going to find out what boat was doing well and who was paying the drivers (or not). It never made sense to me to hide the info.
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#261290 07/12/13 03:03 PM 07/12/13 03:03 PM |
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Posts: 932 Solomon's Island, MD | Surprisingly Mark I'm not that young...I remember every F18 Nationals result NOT having boat names, Hobie winning a lot because they had paid drivers and a faster design. Didn't concern me at the time since I didn't have $15K for a brand new Tiger...which today looks like a bargain. Cost is definitely exceeding inflation.
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#261312 07/13/13 11:12 AM 07/13/13 11:12 AM |
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Posts: 3,116 Annapolis, MD | Very cool
So, the F18 sailors are focused on Racing.... The class rules look like they stable and people behaved themselves within the rules.
Is there any buzz among the sailors that the next thing for them personally is a flying foiled catamran.... (the need for speed thing.... the next challenge... or a 5 year itch disease)
Or is the boat entertaining enough and what you really want is numbers on the line and good competition.
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#261313 07/13/13 12:56 PM 07/13/13 12:56 PM |
Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 3,293 Long Beach, California John Williams
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Posts: 3,293 Long Beach, California | This topic, Mark, is discussed at length every time non-F18 sailors get together. For the F18 people, it is a pretty short conversation - flying F18s are cool, but not a threat to the class. Toying with a foiling F18 is fun, but why try with a 400-pound boat?
F18 is healthy and sustainable with good competition among builders and sailors.
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- The harder you practice, the luckier you get - Gary Player, pro golfer
After watching Lionel Messi play, I realize I need to sail harder.
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#261527 07/21/13 03:38 PM 07/21/13 03:38 PM |
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Posts: 246 Kiel, Germany | Speaking of boats and rooting for the USA, is boat GER292 sailing a Falcon F18?
If so, i'm rooting for them to have a good result as well, as their on a "Made in the USA" boat.
Yes, it's Arne Gosche and Michael Walther from Kiel, Germany. I've heard that they hit a floating object with major damage to the boat - thus the unsatisfying result.
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#261530 07/21/13 04:23 PM 07/21/13 04:23 PM |
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Posts: 915 Dublin, Ireland | Does anyone have experience sailing at the 2014 venue, Bangor-Nothern Ireland? I have been watching windguru and so far this month winds have been pretty terrible: I have sailed cats at Ballyholme many times in the past 20 years, usually good winds - great "Craic". Ireland has had a very uncharacteristic heatwave for the past month, with high pressure and light winds. Irish Sailing Clubs have very good reputation for organising memorable sailing events - on and off the course.
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#261557 07/22/13 11:30 AM 07/22/13 11:30 AM |
Joined: Nov 2011 Posts: 554 Boston, Ma Jeff.Dusek
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Posts: 554 Boston, Ma | The only problem with a container is that the Worlds are July 5-11, meaning we lose our boats for almost the entire summer season. It's a hard sell.
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#261558 07/22/13 11:45 AM 07/22/13 11:45 AM |
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Posts: 932 Solomon's Island, MD | PM sent Reiss.
Jeff, I understand the excuse but it's a poor one. The real question is when do the boats get back from Ireland? If they return mid-August that works fine for me. July and August are notoriously hot, humid and lacking breeze in Annapolis. Ireland sounds much more pleasant.
We have good sailing April through early June and then September-November. So we would loose a month of training on the F18, which sucks but most everyone else is in that same situation. The question for us is do we do Catacup again if we're invited back or do we go to Ireland? First world problems...
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#261563 07/22/13 12:22 PM 07/22/13 12:22 PM |
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Posts: 5,590 Naples, FL | I think what I'm getting at is I'd much rather charter but of course they have to be available!
With what you say, a charter makes perfect sense for those who don't want to "lose" their boats for the season. Do dealers have the ability to carry 4-5 boats each model year for charters in their region? I would suspect dealers can't tie up that kind of capital, but I guess they could get residual value upon selling when they buy the new model year. And charter parties would know they're getting excellent boats rigged up right....? Might solve some of the insurance issues as well... 5 boats @ $20k USD/boat = $100k 5 charters per year x 5 boats x $2500 per charter = $62,500 annual Maintenance, delivery & Expense ($3,000) x 5 boats = $15,000 Residual value ($12,500) x 5 boats = $62,500 So: Revenue - expenses = (Charter revenue + Residual value) - (Purchase + Maintenance) ($62,500 + $62,500) - ($100,000 + $15,000) = $10,000 net I guess the next questions are: - are there 5 "charter-worthy" events in that region - is $2,500 USD a reasonable price-point for a charter (new, race-ready, delivered to the regatta site) It all looks so easy on the inner-net...
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Jeff, I understand the excuse but it's a poor one. The real question is when do the boats get back from Ireland? If they return mid-August that works fine for me. July and August are notoriously hot, humid and lacking breeze in Annapolis. Ireland sounds much more pleasant.
We have good sailing April through early June and then September-November. So we would loose a month of training on the F18, which sucks but most everyone else is in that same situation. The question for us is do we do Catacup again if we're invited back or do we go to Ireland? First world problems...
I guess a lot depends where you are in the country. Assuming three weeks on either side of the event, that is most of June, all of July, and maybe part of August. That is the primary season for New England. Now I am not completely opposed to the idea, especially after the amount of time I put in trying to find a charter for Italy. I certainly consider myself in the interested category, but to lose so much sailing the price needs to be right.
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