Now just to be clear.....when I threw out the "Pansys"....yeah I know now...."Pansies" comment, it was only in reference to Chris's sugestion regarding setting up a competition during the Tybee between regions of the country. You know...stirring up a bit of geographical rivalry. I have sailed both with and against Chris. "pansy" is the LAST word I would use to describe him or his sailing!!!!!