-Hi Wout -
<br> thanks for the info .
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<br> It is a frustrating situation , Inter introduced a better 20 design with carbon mast and more sail area in NA , it is established , accepted ,and popular . -
<br> -We would have formed a F-20 Class 2 years ago if it were that simple .
<br> Nacra Hobie and all mfg. in N A have agreed to build cats to the F-18 , we will see the NA rules soon , -we will see how it progresses .
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<br>-You seemed to miss the concept of total boat and crew equal combined weight being proposed by some ,-
<br> The total crew and boat weight equalizes light wind conditions , - the adjustable racks equalize ft lbs of righting moment from the center of effort . {sail plan } measured in total distance from the leeward hull . -
<br> When it is higher wind conditions the lighter shorter crew is allowed a proportional extention of the rack { fixed per weigh in of crew } -equalizing all crews righting weight against the force or thrust of the sails . -
<br>-Again -the total crew and boat weight equalizes light air sailing , now in some conditions heavier crews are sitting in or have one on the wire in mid range wind conditions , while lightweight crews are out on the wire , this would not occur with equal crew and boat weights , all crews would be getting out on the wire at the same time and wind strength , which is around 8 mph winds when powered up on these larger more powerfull cats . -not 15
<br> variable wind strength would not be the factor involved in the equation ,-only equal ft lbs of righting achieved closely though not perfectly on each boat .-crew height would also becpme a factor with weight , also the distance of the heavier boats hull being more inboard would require a % factor in the total equation as well.
<br>--If any could design lightweight inexpensive racks we could all bolt on I would be all for this type of rule , we could then all add even more sail area in proportion to the added righting and sail capasity.
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<br>-from wout above -
<br> {nearly all people will agree to anything and say "they support it" when it doesn't costs them anything, it is a completely different story when they need to invest. The first is just saying stuff the last is what is really meant by support. }
<br>answer --Agree -the active racing 20 sailors in N A . ARE THE ONES WHO WILL HAVE TO INVEST THEIR TIME EFFORT AND ENERGIES TO MAKE THIS CLASS WORK .
<br> we need to make this as simple and inclusive as possible with min. investment to all . --Just get out , race what ya got , max. it out to the rule if you want over time ,-and have fun.
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<br>-wout - How do you propose to attract H20, N6.0, Mystere 6.0, Prindle 19 sailors to this class which is effectively as US I-20 class. What are you going to tell them to convince them that it is in their interest and entlargement of sailing joy to participate in such a class on a NON US I-20 boat.
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<br>I wish to underline, that when you can't formula a really catchy answer that this point will proof to be the stumbling block over which this F20 group may fall.
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<br>-not a catchy answer but an honest logical one ---
<br>-Proposing an Inter 20 based class will not work , it will alienate all others including all other existing active 20 N A cats listed .-F-20 WILL alienate Inters and many others .
<br>-A boat weight to sail area rule proposed and as applied to all cat designs listed allows all existing active 20 racing sailors in N A to be able to race their boats just as they are if they wish , --they can add a large chute , --they can latter add a new larger main ,--or evan a new mast , or preferred larger rudder system ,-to go along with that new mast with more rake and larger sq top sail next year , --creating new performance never thought possible on an older design ,-using {shared lift concept } and balancing helm with the chute .--creating a cat using any combination of hull boards rudder mast and sail plan to your own personal preferences .
<br> NO MORE DEAD BOAT CLASSES --
<br> -Sailors wanting newer developement and lighter designs can do so ,--their existing converted 20s will be in demand by new and younger sailors who want to give this type of racing a try . We may eventyally have A and B fleets --called modified and developement for different levels of boats and sailors .
<br> Again ALL existing active racing 20s in N A automatically qualify to race as they are ,--no investment is required ,-they do not evan need official measurement to get started except stating accurate chute size . -Just race and have fun .
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<br>-potential criticism =
<br> won,t some people just race in open catagory -?
<br> Yes -some will not race with a chute , but why buy a 20 ft cat if you don't want to go fast , --this is o k , open class racing will always be there per race organizers and clubs more so for beginning sailors .
<br>-#2- With this larger expanded aspect to the 20 class rule allowing different weights of boats and coresponding sail areas won't this create a bigger difference in boat performance .?
<br> YES -older boats with larger sail areas will have the edge in lighter air conditions while the newer lightweight cats will have the edge in heavy air ,--The interesting aspect and draw to the 20 class will be finding and developing the exact right combination for YOU , your own preferred sailing type and average conditions you enjoy sailing in.
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<br>-I now enjoy the Inter 20 but believe there are much better combinations of existing boats possible that will finish ahead of it in many conditions , and newer much better designs and cats ready to be developed and built for us , as we are already beginning to see .
<br> We can easily start this class ,--all are included ,--once established we can then let the class vote on it's future direction to more of structured one design like existing F , OR CONTINUE as more of a developemental class ..
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<br> -constructive specific responce is appreciated .
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