Jake I also was taking into account everything I thought was considered a formula racing boat, Europe,Australia, wherever there is formula Racing.If its F18 were talking, then when is the last time someone on a Mystere Twister or Mattia ,Dart Hawk,Ventilo was consistantly winning enough that you sit up and take notice.These boats are now being overshadowed in there own class.And If I am wrong then I'll take a hit for it.The message I am getting is that handicapp racing is unnecessary and everyone better buy a Formula boat before its to late.Every boat out there was a formula 1design boat at one time and time put an end to that to.These days we are through a boat class faster than ever. I'd love to hear from somone that counts, thats in charge,That owns and manufactures boats on this forum, whenever this subject comes up. "D'ont sail into whale tail"...... Thanks Bob