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#144427 05/30/08 02:28 PM 05/30/08 02:28 PM |
Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 3,906 Clermont, FL, USA David Ingram
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Posts: 3,906 Clermont, FL, USA | It doesn't look like they were going uphill and it looks like their rudder stalled. How many of you would have stabbed it into the wind before it was too late? Was the boat behind them a bunch of pussies or smart?
Don't be bitter because they are getting paid.
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#144428 05/30/08 02:29 PM 05/30/08 02:29 PM |
Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 334 Seattle,Wa Don_Atchley
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Posts: 334 Seattle,Wa | I think you're passing jugdement a little too rapidly. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" /> Watch the video and you'll see the conditions under which this happened.
I'm trying to focus on the fact that they are sailing multihulls in the first place.
Not that they are going through the learning curve we have all experienced.
And they are "learning" on a boat that I would give anything just to have a ride.
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#144430 05/30/08 02:46 PM 05/30/08 02:46 PM |
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Posts: 571 Hamburg | Not that they are going through the learning curve we have all experienced Come on, malicious joy is the best joy. By the way they are not the only boat, where the hooter opens, however the gust is certainly stronger for the two most forward boats than for the rest. But hey, no excuses for those guys, that are mono guys <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> Cheers, Klaus | | | Re: Alinghi VX40 capsize today
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#144432 05/30/08 03:07 PM 05/30/08 03:07 PM |
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Posts: 5,590 Naples, FL | From what see, they might need some practice righting the boats, as they always seem to break the mast when doing so.
Maybe send a diver to the mast tip to tie a line whereby they can lift the boat by the mast tip (SLOWLY - to let the water move around the sail) rather than try to jerk the hulls to right the boat.
Or try to right the boat by flipping it over the sterns?
Just seems wierd that they keep breaking the sticks so easily...
Jay
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#144433 05/30/08 03:59 PM 05/30/08 03:59 PM |
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Posts: 3,528 Looking for a Job, I got credi... | It doesn't look like they were going uphill and it looks like their rudder stalled. How many of you would have stabbed it into the wind before it was too late? Was the boat behind them a bunch of pussies or smart?
Don't be bitter because they are getting paid. Not bitter. I've also done them a dis-service, they were going downhill, (you can see the mark behind them). They just did not bear away far enough when the hull lifted, you can see from the onboard that they are (probably) far enough in front on Holmatro. At about 9 seconds you can see they had some room to leeward; they could (maybe) have saved it by dumping some traveller and a bit of a bear-off. Will know more in a couple of weeks as a mate is out on one for a jolly.
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#144436 05/30/08 10:44 PM 05/30/08 10:44 PM |
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Posts: 12,310 South Carolina | That's a much better video!
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#144437 05/31/08 12:58 AM 05/31/08 12:58 AM |
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Posts: 145 Cheshire, UK | It looks like an instinctive 'head up' on Holmatro almost cost them a dunking too...
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#144439 05/31/08 02:33 AM 05/31/08 02:33 AM |
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Posts: 55 Los Angeles, CA | How Holmatro saved it I dont understand. Kind of looks like the "bad air" off of Alinghi might have helped Holmatro pull out by shifting the apparent wind. | | | Re: Alinghi VX40 capsize today
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#144441 05/31/08 08:56 AM 05/31/08 08:56 AM |
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Posts: 266 UK | It looks like an instinctive 'head up' on Holmatro almost cost them a dunking too... If you look closely on video2 Holmatro actually bore away and started to dig in. They had a better initial angle (and sheeting) to the gust (which hit Alinghi first), this enabled them to reduce pressure on the leeward hull by luffing. It appears to have also let them keep boatspeed and get away with the pendulum effect of the mast. I suspect if they had kept low they would have stuffed it too. Cheshirecatman | | | Re: Alinghi VX40 capsize today
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#144443 06/02/08 06:04 PM 06/02/08 06:04 PM |
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I ask because my initial instinct is always to head up when a gust hits or if I get too buried (sort of what holmatro did). Since I'm trying to train myself to bear away before heading up, I'm sitting here trying to rationalize in my brain why holmatro survived when it seems that they shouldn't have.
Holmatro survived when they dumped mainsheet as their cat rounded up when they lost rudder authority, watch their leach in the second video. "They were somehow able to avoid capsizing and we did not unfortunately." Ed Baird SOMEHOW Ed got to steer a fast catamaran without learning the basics. Darryn Mozzie 1782 | | |
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