Wouter, please take this as a friendly observation….

“If everybody else agrees on only these four limits then I'm out of the project.”

That sounds awful lot like “If I can’t make the rules, I am going to take my ball and go home”.

Let the project go forward with just length and weight limits. If your design and approach is superior it will prevail.

While you undoubtedly have the greatest presence here on the forum (7000+ posts), it is obvious that the wheels have been turning behind the scenes on a number of fronts. To be honest, you would have to admit this recent resurgence of interest in the F-12 has a lot to do with RG’s ability to expressed his (and others interested parties) design ideas through high quality 3D Computer Modeling. As they say a picture is worth a thousand words. You can write a text book worth of detailed description on the F-12 and not motivate a single person to act…but put a life like rendering in front of them and the ideas take on new life.

No one is trying to limit your design options, why do you feel the need to limit theirs?


If I remember correctly, you have, on more than one occasion, stated that you had neither the time nor the financial resources to pursue the construction of a proto type based on your ideas any time in the near future…that your time was consumed at work and other things you were involved in…no one faults you for that…Now there seems to be at least two other designers that do have the time and resources to proto type. Work with them, don’t them tie up with rules that may very well put some of the most creative options out of their reach. So you don’t agree with everything that is being proposed… if they are willing to put up their time and money to invest in this promising idea, why would anyone who truly wants the concept to succeed put barriers in their way?

It sounds like the cow that laid in the hay. It didn’t want to eat the hay…but it wouldn’t let any of the other cows to eat it either”

Don’t lay in the hay…LOL…

Best regards,
Bob