Should have read "... one of the persons at the cradle ..." and there weren't that many back then as you remember. Please remember that I was actually composing a group container deal with sailors like Gordon Isco, Rob Lyman and some others whose names don't come to my mind right now. All of them got A-cats then, through Chip Zenke eventually. I've did a little more then stand on the sidelines back then, Jake. I think I'm allowed to credit myself with being part of that beginning. A modest part indeed, I stand corrected on that, but part nonetheless.

Wouter