If everybody else agrees on only these four limits then I'm out of the project.

Mostly because I think it is going to fail that way and I'm not wasting my time on that. Sorry.

Actually this whole proces does remind me of that time 8 months ago, exactly the same discussions. I made room for somebody else to create this "wide open class" and nobody stepped up. The end result the project fall flat on its face. I revived it, as I have done several times by now, and we just fall in the same trap again.

I hope it fairs alot better this time if the rest decides to keep the rules maximally open. First point on the agenda is to find a new project leader, I'll be watching from the sidelines. If it falls down again then I'm going to step one last time and decided things arbitrarily. Then it will be an OD class along the lines I presented earlier.

So everybody, consider this your last shot to make something of the F12 that you feel is right. I will step aside and allow you all to make your best swing at it.

I will of course keep presenting updates on my design on this forum, there maybe something there worth stealing.

Wouter