| Re: Rules Question - two boats, starboard, overlapped...a-mark.
[Re: David Ingram]
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Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 3,116 Annapolis, MD Mark Schneider
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Posts: 3,116 Annapolis, MD | And in that situaton if anyone feels rule 2 was violated... protest. Like it or not arbitrage (risk management) is very much a part of the game... any game! I agree... about managing risk in the game. I agree with Jeff about using the rules as part of the game. I continue to make the point that arbitraging the rules is wrong. We agree the recourse is to PROTEST....(but if the sailors' mindset is that all of the rules are to be pushed... it will be ugly) I agree with Todd's simple statement and emphasize the need to protest If it means anything and I'm sure it doesn't, it's been my experience that the game is run pretty clean on the course even when the douchebag factor is significantly high. This stuff is small potatos boys. I'd be thrilled if I could work the scales without a pro sailor walking up with his soaking wet boat expecting to get weighed. Then instead of getting belligerent just walk away when he is told his boat isn't getting weighed today. Or, when a group of sailors stick a garden hose down their snuffer sock to soak their spinnakers before they come to the scales. Bullsh!t like that should earn them a ticket home IMO. And the only solution is to protest... and then for everyone adminsitering the game to grow a pair and toss a few offenders.... AND then send it up the chain to USSA or ISAF. I have also seen how hard that is for even the most experienced race officers with hard proof to go ahead and pull that trigger.... So... it's not easy by any means.... Arbitraging the rules... whether its port pushing the line on starbord... or soaking your spin sock... has a begining somewhere in your sailing career... IMO... it starts on the water and then extends over time to the crap you speak of.
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